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HHR handling like on Rails? by andres3
Jan 09, 2009 (4:09 pm)
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If the HHR handles like it's on rails, that is one train wreck ride I don't want to be on!
 
The interior materials are chrysler-esqe = horrid!
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Re: HHR handling like on Rails? [andres3] by iwant12
Jan 09, 2009 (4:17 pm)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jan 09, 2009 4:09 pm)

Didn't they give high remarks for the SS version, though? As far as cornering, etc.? I hardly see any SSs on the road. See loads of LTs.
 
I agree, the interior materials are quite cheesy. Perhaps the next generation will be better, more upscale. I like the vehicle but demand a little bit more creature comforts.
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Re: Better Stay in Line! [circlew] by dave8697
Jan 09, 2009 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 09, 2009 4:51 am)

Matt Lauer questioned Gettlefinger and Wagoner side by side yesterday morning on the Today show. The joint responses were that UAW wages are already on par with the foreign companies operating in America and that the 4 yr contract was not going to be opened up. They also said that the work rules are currently optimized for corporate profitability.
 
When they compared wages, they were probably factoring things to say there was equality.
Those factors could have been bonuses at the transplants added top their wages, cost of living differences between Rpley WV and Troy Michigan, and benefits like pensions were excluded.
 
Sounds like the union is not giving another dime. They said they already gave with VEBA.
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [bpizzuti] by dave8697
Jan 09, 2009 (5:54 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 09, 2009 3:38 am)

You claim there are about 40 crappy GM models. can you give specifics?
  
Cobalt
G5
Aura
Equinox
Torrent
G6
Impala
Colorado
HHR
Sierra
Aveo
G3
Vibe (I don't like the Matrix either)
Trailblazer (did that finally go away yet?)
  
That's off the top of my head, with no research
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And the specifics are?????????????????
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [tlong] by dave8697
Jan 09, 2009 (6:05 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 08, 2009 5:14 pm)

bottom third?
so 33% unemployment would be your target for our economy if you were in Obama's position? That would leave crappy people out on the street?
In what category?
sales?
price?
warranty?
Specifics were asked for, otherwise you are doing exactly what I accused this site of constantly doing.
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Re: Wow! A lot of Great GM News !! [kernick] by dave8697
Jan 09, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 09, 2009 12:39 pm)

GM incorporates the overseas entities so they can go bankrupt just in the US separately to kill the union.
 
2nd worst job loss year since 1945. Where's the problem with the D3 market share going over to Japan?
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Re: Wow! A lot of Great GM News !! [62vetteefp] by kernick
Jan 09, 2009 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 09, 2009 1:08 pm)

Not sure what you heard but if you get all your input from the internet forums I can see why you are confused.
 
No I've been watching the national news organizations coverage of the D3 and UAW going to Congress begging for money, because no one else would give them a loan. No one would buy any of their stock or corporate bonds if they issued it. Most corporations raise cash by offering stock and bonds. They do not go to Congress and get grilled for 2 days.
 
Now that they have the loan they are paying their bills.
 
Well isn't that great; we all thought they'd take the money and buy a few new jets.
 
They do seem to have a lot of award winning vehicles coming out.
 
They've had award winning vehicles before. So has Chrysler. These companies have and continue to lose $. That is what matters.
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Re: Really? [imidazol97] by dino001
Jan 09, 2009 (8:28 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 09, 2009 10:50 am)

I had HHR too. One of the worst recent cars I've ever driven. Terrible visibility, poor fuel economy for the performance, hauling wind noise, very derivative styling. And no - no rails, more like mud road - vague and sluggish. Basically, showcase of mediocrity. Only Cobalt I drove a few months before, felt worse.
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Re: Cadillac Volt [tlong] by dino001
Jan 09, 2009 (8:34 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 09, 2009 3:28 pm)

Actually, there is one, just not here. In Europe they have front-drive BLS, which is restyled Saab 9-3. Not a big seller there, couldn't imagine it would be here, either. Unless they made it better and more appealing.
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Re: Better Stay in Line! [dave8697] by tlong
Jan 09, 2009 (10:05 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 09, 2009 5:50 pm)

Sounds like the union is not giving another dime. They said they already gave with VEBA.
 
Fully expected this. They won't give anything unless GM is two breaths from death. They're hoping Obama will be more lenient. Let's hope GM manages to pull itself through. In 4 years GM will probably have 5-10% less market share and half as many UAW workers. The few that are left will cling to those benefits like flies on poop.

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