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. by anythngbutgm
Jan 09, 2009 (12:52 pm)
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"Little Miss can't be wrong" - Spin Doctors. It's being played on many forums, including Edmunds.
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Re: Wow! A lot of Great GM News !! [kernick] by 62vetteefp
Jan 09, 2009 (1:08 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 09, 2009 12:39 pm)

Here is what I believe was said. Not sure what you heard but if you get all your input from the internet forums I can see why you are confused.
 
In December GM said they did not have enough liquidity to pay their bills here in the US. If they did not pay their bills they would have to go bankrupt. Now that they have the loan they are paying their bills. They do seem to have a lot of award winning vehicles coming out. Sales are up overseas. They have said they do not plan on asking for anymore money. Where did you read the loans would be paid back in 2010? Per the restructuring plan:
 
Assuming the lower, depressed industry volumes under the Downside scenario, GM would make full use of the $18 billion temporary Federal loan facilities through most of 2012. While not shown, Downside industry volumes in 2013 are projected at 13.5 million units. Under this Downside Scenario, the company would expect to begin partial repayment of the temporary Federal loan facilities in 2012.
 
They have said all along that the issue is in the US only. Overseas they have increasing sales and the end of the year sales confirms that sales are increasing overseas.
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US Market Share Slips in 2008 by circlew
Jan 09, 2009 (1:53 pm)
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So far, same news as the last few decades:
 
According to data from Edmunds.com, the Detroit Three lost a collective total of 3.7 points of market share in 2008. Chrysler led the group, ceding 1.9 points of share (from 12.9 percent of the market in 2007 to 11 percent in 2008). GM lost 1.4 percent (from 23.8 percent in 2007 to 22.4 percent). Ford gave back 0.4 points of share (from 15.5 percent to 15.1 percent for 2008).
 
Meanwhile, the three automakers who comprise the rest of the U.S. "Big Six" - Toyota Motor Corp, Nissan Motor Co. Ltd. and Honda Motor Co. Ltd. - all gained market share in 2008, despite their own heavy declines in actual sales volume.
 
Toyota picked up a half-point of share (16.3 percent of the market in 2007 to 16.8 percent in 2008), Nissan gained 0.6 percent (from 6.6 percent to 7.2 percent of the market) and Honda grabbed an extra 1.2 percent of market share (from 9.7 percent in 2007 to 10.9 percent for 2008).
 
The totals, then, maintained Detroit's decades-long giveaway of market share: in 2008, Detroit slid from owning 52.2 percent of U.S. auto sales to 48.5 percent.
 
The three largest Japanese automakers gained 2.3 percent of market share in 2008 (from 2007's 32.6 percent to 34.9 percent for 2008), leaving 1.4 percent to be distributed among the smaller automakers.

 
Long road ahead, indeed.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: HHR [anythngbutgm] by iwant12
Jan 09, 2009 (2:40 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Jan 09, 2009 11:24 am)

Personally, I like the HHR, especially the SS. Just wish it was built with higher quality materials (like the Malibu), a tad bit larger in all dimensions, the windshield wasn't so short, had a console, and the A-pillars weren't 11" thick. Oh, yeah, wish it was built here in the States. Other than that, it's a nice auto with fairly decent gas mileage and cargo area. If I were in the market, it would be on my short list, but close to the bottom of said list. And like you said, AWD would be great.
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Re: Really? [lemko] by tlong
Jan 09, 2009 (2:46 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2009 10:21 am)

Aveo - My Mom has one and has no problems with it.
  
Impala - What the heck is wrong with the Impala?

 
Issue is not whether there is something wrong with it. Issue is whether it is in the bottom third of currently offered models in that class. Aveo is at the bottom compared with Fit, Yaris, Versa, Mini Cooper -- just to name four tiny cars. It might be better than the Smart.
 
Impala - not as good as Camry, Accord, Sonata, Optima, etc.
 
My 66 VW Beetle was reliable and got me from A to B. So was it crappy if nothing was wrong with it? In today's market it would be crappy.
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Re: Really? [imidazol97] by tlong
Jan 09, 2009 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 09, 2009 10:50 am)

Rode in an HHR during vacation. It had a great feel and seemed to ride like it was on rails
 
No offense, but LOL. Maybe if you are used to the big land yachts. Try driving a BMW, Audi, or even a VW.
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Re: Cadillac Volt [62vetteefp] by tlong
Jan 09, 2009 (2:52 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 09, 2009 11:26 am)

I'm confused - are you saying that Caddy is going to have a model named Volt, or that the Chevy Volt would be used as a basis for a similar but more upscale Cadillac vehicle?
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Re: Really? [tlong] by imidazol97
Jan 09, 2009 (2:56 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 09, 2009 2:50 pm)

Didn't know we were building BMWs. As far as the VW models you mentioned, a friend had a VW. Windows fell into the doors, it had a check engine light that came on for years. It spent more time at the dealer than it spent on the road during the time they owned it before trading it. Even the closer Cincinnati dealer wouldn't work on it for him. Had to drive 50 miles.
 
>No offense, but LOL. Maybe if you are used to the big land yachts.
 
Not sure why you're trying to ridicule that I thought one would be good for a third car, but if it's okay with the forum...
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Re: US Market Share Slips in 2008 [circlew] by tlong
Jan 09, 2009 (2:57 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 09, 2009 1:53 pm)

AFAIR Ford has had fairly steady market share for the last decade or so, is that correct? I think GM and Chrysler have led most of the D3 market share declines over the past 10 years.
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Re: Really? [imidazol97] by tlong
Jan 09, 2009 (3:09 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jan 09, 2009 2:56 pm)

As far as the VW models you mentioned, a friend had a VW. Windows fell into the doors, it had a check engine light that came on for years.
 
I was amused that you thought the HHR rode like on rails. Compared to land yachts but not to any decent handling car. It was not a comment on reliability, etc.

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