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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 09, 2009 5:32 am) The design concept originated in the United States; engineering was directed by GM's global rear-wheel-drive team in Australia; validation was conducted on roads around the world and assembly will take place at GM's award-winning Oshawa facility in Canada. So basically the US part of the Camaro is...we thought of it. And maybe road-tested it here. They did the actual engineering design and assembly elsewhere. No, it is "engineering is directed" by the folks in Austrailia. I thought I mentioned that my brother, who lives here in the US, has parts on the car. Holden designed/developed the architecture for the Zetas. For the Camaro the parts that are not common with all the Zeta are designed here. The Camaro styling was done at design staff here in the US. The VLE (Vehicle Line Executive) is in Austrailia which owns all of the zetas/RWD vehicles. They "direct" the process and make decisions at a high level. Gene Stefanyshyn is the VLE (global RWD and performance cars) who moved to Austrailia to lead the team. Only one of the 5 people directly reporting to him actually lives in Austrailia. The other 5 are here. Out of the 20 other members who do not report directly to him only 3 are in Austrailia. The VLD (Vehicle Line Director) of the Camaro does work and live in the US. Wagoner CEO US Bob Lutz Global Product Development US Jonathan J Lauckner Global Program Management US Gene Stefanyshyn Vehicle Line Executive RWD and Performance AUS John Santilli Vehicle Line Director Camaro US |
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Replying to: andres3 (Jan 08, 2009 6:26 pm) I thought about the HHR, but since I defined "crappy" as in the bottom third against the competition and I only saw the PT Cruiser as similar (and that's crappy too!) I didn't include it. If you include small wagons like the small Volvo wagon, the Mazda 5, etc., then the HHR would be crappy as well. |
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 08, 2009 7:06 pm) OK, so by defining "crappy" as in the bottom third against the competition, the following is the updated list. Any others? Particularly need help with the SUVs and Trucks as I am unfamiliar. What about Buicks? What about the bigger Caddys? Gary, you said UAW made a lousy truck for you - was that one in the bottom third? Didn't somebody say that GM has about 40 nameplate models? We have 20 names on the list so far, which would be 50% if the 40 number is accurate. So for Dave's original question on which vehicles are crappy, here's the current list. Everybody feel free to agree or disagree: HHR Yukon Denali Cobalt Aveo Impala Equinox G3 G6 Solstice (but looks good) Sky (but looks good) H2 (I'll add this one and the next one) H3 Astra G5 Aura Torrent Colorado Sierra Vibe Trailblazer |
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GM Unable to Find a Buyer for Saab (Straightline) GM Denies Problems In Finding Saab Buyers (CNN) |
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HHR - I like it better than the PT Cruiser. The HHR at least resembles an old Chevy. The PT Cruiser reminds me more of a 1937 Ford than any past Mopar product, Aveo - My Mom has one and has no problems with it. Impala - What the heck is wrong with the Impala? Aura - isn't this the Saturn clone of the excellent Malibu? Vibe - Isn't this a Toyota Matrix in disguise? Trailblazer - Dead |
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2009 10:21 am) Vibe - Isn't this a Toyota Matrix in disguise? The Aura was the beta version of the Malibu. This year (as Saturn is about to disappear) it finally catches up to the Malibu. The Vibe's interior is awful compared to the Matrix (at least in the previous generation, haven't seen the current model). The current version of the Vibe/Matrix has gotten lukewarm reviews. |
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2009 10:21 am) I agree it's better than the PT Cruiser. However, that leaves a LOT of cars that it ISN"T better than. Aveo - My Mom has one and has no problems with it. Congrats to your mom. It's still worse than the Yaris, Fit, Versa, Rio, and Accent. Impala - What the heck is wrong with the Impala? Nothing if you're a cop, I guess. Other than that though, the Taurus, Avalon, Accord, 300C, etc are a lot better. Aura - isn't this the Saturn clone of the excellent Malibu? I'm not sure about this..is it the clone of this gen or last gen? I know the Aura is missing some features on the Malibu (Satellite radio comes to mind). I know the Pontiac G6 is based on the last gen Malibu, not the current one. Vibe - Isn't this a Toyota Matrix in disguise? Yeah. So? That sucks too.  Trailblazer - Dead Thank God. 
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2009 10:21 am) |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 09, 2009 10:42 am) I'm not sure about this..is it the clone of this gen or last gen? I know the Aura is missing some features on the Malibu (Satellite radio comes to mind). I know the Pontiac G6 is based on the last gen Malibu, not the current one.  Aura has XM satellite radio as standard. G6, old Malibu, Aura are all based on Epsilon I architecture. The Opel Insignia and the new LaCrosse are based on the slightly larger Epsilson II architecture. |
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A friend of mine bought a base model LT (?) when they first came out. I think he paid something like 13 grand for it, with a stick. That is one hell of a bargain. Now, this was beyond bare bones, which meant weak radio, crank windows, thinly padded seats, I don't even think it had A/C, but for the money it was a ton of car. I would have bought one myself if it had AWD and better seats.
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