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#31885 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [greg128] by uplanderguy

Feb 12, 2013 (9:04 am)

Replying to: greg128 (Feb 12, 2013 8:34 am)
You mention the SC. A friend has his parents' old SC300. I am completely unimpressed (although I know it's nearly 20 years old). He says that thing cost in the 40's back then. It looks like a compact car with leather interior--to my eyes, not an expensive-looking thing about it. And my Cavalier coupe actually had more published rear-seat legroom than the SC300 (I know that because I won an argument with a mutual friend who said he could fit in the back of an SC300 but not a Cavalier coupe).

#31886 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [greg128] by dieselone

Feb 12, 2013 (9:32 am)

Replying to: greg128 (Feb 12, 2013 8:34 am)
I did post (EXCLUDING NSX)
 
I apologize for not seeing (I don't know how I missed it) your disclaimer.
 
I still stand by my response. Comparing an Lexus SC with 180k miles to an Allante with 61 k doesn't mean anything.
 
Just for some reality and I don't even know if this really means anything. But I looked up Lexus SC models from '87 to '93 on Autotrader vs Elderado's from the same period.
 
Eldorado 91-95 avg. $5,157 with a high of $16,999 and low of $745 with 250 listings.
 
Lexus SC 91-95 avg. $6,217 with a high of $16,000 and low of $1,300 with 209 listings.
 
I did put a $20k price ceiling as there was a crazy modified SC for $40k.
 

#31887 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [andre1969] by uplanderguy

Feb 12, 2013 (9:25 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 12, 2013 7:30 am)
I think the biggest point of contention some will have with the new Impala's styling is the crease/dip in the rear door. I see it as homage to the rear quarter 'hips' of the '65-68 cars.
 
I still think it rather stinks that CR, in their Buyers' Guide, had a photo of the '14 and under it listed all the things they didn't like about the previous car. To those not in the know, like us here, that was a little misleading.

#31888 of 32000 Re: GM failures in entry lux [greg128] by xrunner2

Feb 12, 2013 (9:32 am)

Replying to: greg128 (Feb 11, 2013 7:51 pm)
Cadillac has been playing catchup with Lexus and Acura in lux and entry level lux since late 1980's. Perhaps it has caught up with latest gen CTS.
 
Cadillac has trailed Acura in terms of quality, reliability. Wife had experience with a 2001 Acura TL for 3 years and about 75K miles before trading in on 2004 TL. The 2001 only needed oil changes, routine fluid maintenance. It was bulllitproof.
 
According to Kelly Blue Book owner ratings, they had 211 persons rating the Catera model years 1997-2001. The average rating was 5.8 of 10. For Acura, there were 429 ratings for TL model years 1999-2003 and average rating was 8.6 of 10. Acura clearly superior to Cadillac.
 
For current value, Suggested Retail Price, by Kelly, for a 2001 Catera and 2001 Acura TL both with 84,000 miles and in excellent condition and with similar equipment, the Catera is priced at $3990 and the Acura TL at $6880. The Acura is priced at 72 percent greater than Catera.
 
Catera is 192 inches long, 107 inches wheelbase, 3770 pounds, has 200 HP 3.0L V6.
 
Acura is 192 inches lone, 108 inches wheelbase, 3484 pounds, has 225 HP 3.2L V6.
 
Catera long gone. Model and name tossed on GM dumping grounds.
 
Comparison of 2001 Catera with 2001 Lexus ES 300 perhaps would also show the Lexus superior to Cadillac.

#31889 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [uplanderguy] by dieselone

Feb 12, 2013 (9:52 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Feb 12, 2013 9:04 am)
And my Cavalier coupe actually had more published rear-seat legroom than the SC300
 
I'd ride in the trunk of an SC before being seen in Cavalier of that period;)
 
I don't recall the SC being much more expensive than a comparative Eldorado or Mark VIII. Particularly the SC 300.
 
Of the 3 I always liked the SC over the Lincoln or Cadillac, mainly due to it being more sporty. The Mark VIII was junk and the Caddy to gaudy for my tastes at the time and being FWD. I didn't care about rear seat room then.

#31890 of 32000 Re: GM failures in entry lux [xrunner2] by dieselone

Feb 12, 2013 (9:42 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 12, 2013 9:32 am)
Catera's were junk. I had a coworker who leased a Catera in the early 2000's. It was always in the shop and She couldn't wait for the lease was up.
 
Plus my sister used to work at an Enterprise location that was inside a Cadillac dealer. She always talked about the rude Catera owners who always were getting rentals while their cars were in the shop.

#31891 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [uplanderguy] by andre1969

Feb 12, 2013 (9:43 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Feb 12, 2013 9:25 am)
think the biggest point of contention some will have with the new Impala's styling is the crease/dip in the rear door. I see it as homage to the rear quarter 'hips' of the '65-68 cars.
 
Yeah, I can sort of see that. It even has a bit of a skeg in the lower door that reminds me of the lower crease in my '67 Catalina. From certain angles, it also makes me think of that lower spear/dip that Buick tended to use over the years.

#31892 of 32000 Re: GM failures in entry lux [xrunner2] by greg128

Feb 12, 2013 (10:03 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Feb 12, 2013 9:32 am)
Cadillac has trailed Acura in terms of quality, reliability.
 
 Not any more:
 
According to a 2012 JD Power dependability study of model year 2009 cars,
Cadillac ranked 3rd among brands with an average of 104 problems per 100 vehicles, compared to 11th place Acura with 129 problems per 100 vehicles. Acura was very close to the average number of 132 per 100.

#31893 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [dieselone] by uplanderguy

Feb 12, 2013 (10:24 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Feb 12, 2013 9:52 am)
I'd ride in the trunk of an SC before being seen in Cavalier of that period;)
 
Could've bought three or more for the same price...and it employed people who lived in my town (I know not yours though! ).
 
About the Catera...my old Chevy dealer was also a Caddy dealer. A tech whom I know wheeled a Catera in (this is a few years back) and I said to the Service Writer, a great guy who looks like President Obama (!), "the Caddy that zigs" and he said, "Yeah, it zigs all right" with a sigh!

#31894 of 32000 Cadillac, Acura by xrunner2

Feb 12, 2013 (10:36 am)

Replying to: greg128 (Feb 12, 2013 10:03 am)
Cadillac has trailed Acura for a long time, but maybe finally is catching up in quality and reliability in the last year or two. Perhaps Annual April CR issue will show Cadillac caught or surpassed Acura in the last 2 or 3 model years. We will see.
 
Older Cadillacs are to be avoided per CR Buying Guide 2013 page 186. Various CTS models and years as well as DTS, SRX, STS, DeVille, Escalade are listed as used cars to avoid. In contrast, not a single Acura model is listed as a used car to avoid.

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