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#31880 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [lemko] by andre1969

Feb 12, 2013 (7:24 am)

Replying to: lemko (Feb 12, 2013 7:12 am)
Hmmm! I wouldn't think a Crown Vic would be more expensive than an Intrepid. They had already been around forever when your Intrepid was new.
 
I remember the sticker price of my Intrepid was $20,950, which included shipping. I ended up paying $22,389 out the door, once you threw in taxes, tags, and a $1205 extended warranty that I never had to use because the damn thing ended up being fairly reliable.
 
I think a Crown Vic would have run a little bit more. Plus, I got 0.9% financing on the Intrepid, which helped keep the monthly payment a bit lower.
 
I'm not sure what I'd be in the market for now. If I were to get rid of my Grand Marquis, I would get a new Impala if it turns out to be all that.
 
I think you'll like the new Impala when you finally get a chance to check one out. Style-wise, I think the only weak point is the rump. It's not unattractive, but just sort of generic. It doesn't scream "Chevy".
 
Legroom-wise, I think it was fine, both front and rear. In fact, when it comes to legroom, it might be one of the roomiest cars ever to wear the Impala badge. Even the old '94-96 Impala SS, as big as it was, wasn't all that generous with regards to legroom. It was wide inside almost to the point of being ridiculous, but legroom wasn't exactly in abundance.

#31881 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [andre1969] by dieselone

Feb 12, 2013 (7:30 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 12, 2013 7:24 am)
but just sort of generic. It doesn't scream "Chevy".
 
That exactly screams Chevy;) LOL
 
I think a Crown Vic would have been more than an intrepid overall depending on options. My dad's loaded '92 Crown Vic had an MSRP around $22k.

#31882 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [dieselone] by andre1969

Feb 12, 2013 (7:30 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Feb 12, 2013 7:30 am)
Oops...yeah, as soon as I posted that, I realized it could be taken a few different ways.
 
But, they could have at least tried to work in that 3-taillight, or even 2-taillight motif.
 
Up front, I think it has a strong Chevy heritage. Uplanderguy said it makes him think of a '79 Impala. And I see a bit of '72 in it.

#31883 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [andre1969] by dieselone

Feb 12, 2013 (7:45 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 12, 2013 7:30 am)
Oops...yeah, as soon as I posted that, I realized it could be taken a few different ways.
 
LOL, you know me, sometimes I can't resist;)
 
I'm not big on the rear end either, but there are few if any cars in that price range that I wouldn't find some kind of fault with.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I'll make the Chicago auto show, so I won't see one in person anytime soon.

#31884 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [dieselone] by greg128

Feb 12, 2013 (8:34 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Feb 12, 2013 7:18 am)
Are you serious? Comical. Acura NSX which certainly fetches more of it's original MSRP than any Cadillac of that period
 
I did post (EXCLUDING NSX)

#31885 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [greg128] by uplanderguy

Feb 12, 2013 (9:04 am)

Replying to: greg128 (Feb 12, 2013 8:34 am)
You mention the SC. A friend has his parents' old SC300. I am completely unimpressed (although I know it's nearly 20 years old). He says that thing cost in the 40's back then. It looks like a compact car with leather interior--to my eyes, not an expensive-looking thing about it. And my Cavalier coupe actually had more published rear-seat legroom than the SC300 (I know that because I won an argument with a mutual friend who said he could fit in the back of an SC300 but not a Cavalier coupe).

#31886 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [greg128] by dieselone

Feb 12, 2013 (9:32 am)

Replying to: greg128 (Feb 12, 2013 8:34 am)
I did post (EXCLUDING NSX)
 
I apologize for not seeing (I don't know how I missed it) your disclaimer.
 
I still stand by my response. Comparing an Lexus SC with 180k miles to an Allante with 61 k doesn't mean anything.
 
Just for some reality and I don't even know if this really means anything. But I looked up Lexus SC models from '87 to '93 on Autotrader vs Elderado's from the same period.
 
Eldorado 91-95 avg. $5,157 with a high of $16,999 and low of $745 with 250 listings.
 
Lexus SC 91-95 avg. $6,217 with a high of $16,000 and low of $1,300 with 209 listings.
 
I did put a $20k price ceiling as there was a crazy modified SC for $40k.
 

#31887 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [andre1969] by uplanderguy

Feb 12, 2013 (9:25 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Feb 12, 2013 7:30 am)
I think the biggest point of contention some will have with the new Impala's styling is the crease/dip in the rear door. I see it as homage to the rear quarter 'hips' of the '65-68 cars.
 
I still think it rather stinks that CR, in their Buyers' Guide, had a photo of the '14 and under it listed all the things they didn't like about the previous car. To those not in the know, like us here, that was a little misleading.

#31888 of 32000 Re: GM failures in entry lux [greg128] by xrunner2

Feb 12, 2013 (9:32 am)

Replying to: greg128 (Feb 11, 2013 7:51 pm)
Cadillac has been playing catchup with Lexus and Acura in lux and entry level lux since late 1980's. Perhaps it has caught up with latest gen CTS.
 
Cadillac has trailed Acura in terms of quality, reliability. Wife had experience with a 2001 Acura TL for 3 years and about 75K miles before trading in on 2004 TL. The 2001 only needed oil changes, routine fluid maintenance. It was bulllitproof.
 
According to Kelly Blue Book owner ratings, they had 211 persons rating the Catera model years 1997-2001. The average rating was 5.8 of 10. For Acura, there were 429 ratings for TL model years 1999-2003 and average rating was 8.6 of 10. Acura clearly superior to Cadillac.
 
For current value, Suggested Retail Price, by Kelly, for a 2001 Catera and 2001 Acura TL both with 84,000 miles and in excellent condition and with similar equipment, the Catera is priced at $3990 and the Acura TL at $6880. The Acura is priced at 72 percent greater than Catera.
 
Catera is 192 inches long, 107 inches wheelbase, 3770 pounds, has 200 HP 3.0L V6.
 
Acura is 192 inches lone, 108 inches wheelbase, 3484 pounds, has 225 HP 3.2L V6.
 
Catera long gone. Model and name tossed on GM dumping grounds.
 
Comparison of 2001 Catera with 2001 Lexus ES 300 perhaps would also show the Lexus superior to Cadillac.

#31889 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [uplanderguy] by dieselone

Feb 12, 2013 (9:52 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Feb 12, 2013 9:04 am)
And my Cavalier coupe actually had more published rear-seat legroom than the SC300
 
I'd ride in the trunk of an SC before being seen in Cavalier of that period;)
 
I don't recall the SC being much more expensive than a comparative Eldorado or Mark VIII. Particularly the SC 300.
 
Of the 3 I always liked the SC over the Lincoln or Cadillac, mainly due to it being more sporty. The Mark VIII was junk and the Caddy to gaudy for my tastes at the time and being FWD. I didn't care about rear seat room then.

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