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#31871 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [greg128]
by greg128
Feb 11, 2013 (8:34 pm)
I also found a 2000 Catera with 3 bids only $500 less than a 2000 Lexus ES with 9 bids. $3550 vs. $4051. Both low mileage.
No Cimmarons on ebay.
#31872 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [greg128]
by uplanderguy
Feb 12, 2013 (2:49 am)
Thanks for posting, greg. I think sometimes it is fun to blow holes in the conventional wisdom.
#31873 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [uplanderguy]
by uplanderguy
Feb 12, 2013 (5:57 am)
...although I'll admit I never liked the Catera. I could enjoy a '93 Allante however, with hardtop.
#31874 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [uplanderguy]
by andre1969
Feb 12, 2013 (6:42 am)
My grandmother's cousin's "boyfriend" (feels weird using that word when you're talking about people that old) had a black Allante years ago. I think he only had it for a few months, because it was hard for him to get into and out of. He was pretty well-monied, and tended to trade often anyway, though. Tended to buy New Yorkers and Imperials back in the day, but at some point I wonder if he hit a low spot, because he bought a1980 or so Cordoba LS. But then I guess he bounced back, because it was all Caddies after that.
I think the last car he had before he died was a black DeVille, around a 2000 or 2001.
#31875 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [busiris]
by lemko
Feb 12, 2013 (6:46 am)
Your car-buying process almost mirrors mine. I won't buy a car I hate just because it has good resale value. My first priority is how a car looks. If I hate its styling and would be ashamed to be seen in it, I go elsewhere.
#31876 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [lemko]
by andre1969
Feb 12, 2013 (7:04 am)
The only reason resale value would come into play for me would be if I narrowed it down to two cars that I really liked. Then I'd go for the one that had better resale.
If I was choosing from one of today's crop of midsized cars, resale value might come into play a bit more, because they're all so close in my opinion. For instance, back when I bought my 2000 Intrepid, I didn't care for the Impala or Taurus. Couldn't afford a Bonneville or LeSabre, or Crown Vic/Grand Marquis. And the Altima, Camry, and Accord were still, in my opinion at least, compact cars. I know I'm mixing midsize and full-size cars there, but those classes have been merging together for awhile now.
If I was to buy the car I really wanted today, it would be a Charger. Resale be damned. But, if I was choosing from a midsize, it would be a hard call. I find the Altima a bit ugly, but I liked the inside. Accord looks nice, but I didn't care for the front seats. Malibu's a bit too small inside. Camry's too generic. Avenger/200 are too outdated, but seem tempting just based on price. I'm liking the Fusion more and more, but worry about the teething problems Ford seems to be having lately. The Mazda6 actually intrigues me a bit, though. But, does it still have any Ford DNA in it?
#31877 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [andre1969]
by lemko
Feb 12, 2013 (7:12 am)
Hmmm! I wouldn't think a Crown Vic would be more expensive than an Intrepid. They had already been around forever when your Intrepid was new.
I'm not sure what I'd be in the market for now. If I were to get rid of my Grand Marquis, I would get a new Impala if it turns out to be all that.
If I wanted to spend more - I'm thinking a Chrysler 300-C.
The other option would be to get my wife a new LaCrosse and use her current car as my hooptie.
If I went completely nuts - I'd get a new XTS and her an ATS.
The way things now look - I will probably keep the Grand Marquis until I run it into the ground.
#31878 of 32000 Re: GM failurers in entry lux [greg128]
by dieselone
Feb 12, 2013 (7:18 am)
Are you serious? Comical. Acura NSX which certainly fetches more of it's original MSRP than any Cadillac of that period. But hey, it's much easier to prove a point when you can cherry pick the data.
#31879 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [lemko]
by dieselone
Feb 12, 2013 (7:21 am)
I will probably keep the Grand Marquis until I run it into the ground.
I would think you'll be waiting a while for that to happen.
#31880 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [lemko]
by andre1969
Feb 12, 2013 (7:24 am)
Hmmm! I wouldn't think a Crown Vic would be more expensive than an Intrepid. They had already been around forever when your Intrepid was new.
I remember the sticker price of my Intrepid was $20,950, which included shipping. I ended up paying $22,389 out the door, once you threw in taxes, tags, and a $1205 extended warranty that I never had to use because the damn thing ended up being fairly reliable.
I think a Crown Vic would have run a little bit more. Plus, I got 0.9% financing on the Intrepid, which helped keep the monthly payment a bit lower.
I'm not sure what I'd be in the market for now. If I were to get rid of my Grand Marquis, I would get a new Impala if it turns out to be all that.
I think you'll like the new Impala when you finally get a chance to check one out. Style-wise, I think the only weak point is the rump. It's not unattractive, but just sort of generic. It doesn't scream "Chevy".
Legroom-wise, I think it was fine, both front and rear. In fact, when it comes to legroom, it might be one of the roomiest cars ever to wear the Impala badge. Even the old '94-96 Impala SS, as big as it was, wasn't all that generous with regards to legroom. It was wide inside almost to the point of being ridiculous, but legroom wasn't exactly in abundance.