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Re: 2010 LaCrosse [62vetteefp] by tlong
Jan 08, 2009 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2009 10:56 am)

sales in China rose 6% to 1.09 million vehicles in 2008
 
Could it be that the average vehicle price dropped? The increase was listed in units, while the sales drop was implied to be $$ value. If the vehicles were less expensive then the units could go up while the sales amounts could still go down.
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Re: GM slashes support of arts [gagrice] by andres3
Jan 08, 2009 (2:36 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 08, 2009 7:29 am)

Driving through Santee it seems there are more forclosures in Santee than in all of San Diego County combined. Does the city fine the banks for not maintaining those lawns?
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Re: [62vetteefp] by bumpy
Jan 08, 2009 (4:09 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2009 4:42 am)

So that Camaro built in Canada does support a couple thousand jobs there but also supports many thousands more here in the states.
 
Seems to me the lion's share of design work on the Camaro was done in Australia. I suppose the US-based powertrain crew would count for a few hundred jobs.
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [m4d_cow] by dave8697
Jan 08, 2009 (4:35 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 08, 2009 7:18 am)

The reality is that once again generalities are spread around and the only specifics stated actually contradict the generalities.
 
You claim there are about 40 crappy GM models. can you give specifics? Maybe put together a list from crappy to really crappy. maybe starting with Escalade, Lucerne, Sierra and Surburban, and ending with Cobalt, G6, Impala, and Lacrosse. When I study these vehicles, I can't find the list of problems you insist exists.
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Re: GM slashes support of arts [andres3] by gagrice
Jan 08, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jan 08, 2009 2:36 pm)

I think the city is tougher on businesses than private residences. That is a hard hit bedroom community by foreclosures. If you have driven through there you will probably notice the much higher percentage of by domestic PU Trucks and SUVs than most of the county. Still crowded at the Costco store most of the time. Just an example. Some fancy homes were built in 2005 on the hillside near me. The starting price was $800k before all the flooring etc. Three have sold in the last 6 months by the bank under $650k. Making hard for me to sell my home there even with 5 acres.
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [dave8697] by tlong
Jan 08, 2009 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 08, 2009 4:35 pm)

I'd categorize "crappy" as in the bottom third against similar competition. Crappy models:
 
Cobalt
Aveo
Impala
Equinox
G3
G6
Solstice
Sky (but they look good)
Astra
 
Those are just off the top of my head, not as familiar with trucks and SUVs; feel free to pitch in.
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HHR Definitely Crappy by andres3
Jan 08, 2009 (6:26 pm)
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You forgot to include the HHR in the crappy category. Definitely a front runner for Turkey of the year in 2008 or 2009.
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Re: HHR Definitely Crappy [andres3] by gagrice
Jan 08, 2009 (6:37 pm)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jan 08, 2009 6:26 pm)

You forgot to include the HHR in the crappy category.
 
I agree there. I rented one for a week in Alaska. I thought the Equinox in Hawaii was bad. The HHR is not something I would consider worth paying insurance on if someone gave it to me. The sad list goes on. I was a GM truck fan for nearly 20 years. I do not like what GM is building and selling as trucks. I would probably pick Ford that I think is ugly over a GM PU truck.
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Re: 2008 Sales (Final Figures) [tlong] by circlew
Jan 08, 2009 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Jan 08, 2009 5:14 pm)

Add Yukon Denali. Falls apart even before 36K miles.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: [plekto] by pmusce
Jan 08, 2009 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 07, 2009 11:52 pm)

I *did* call it. GM doesn't want anyone to know where the bailout money is really going because it's all gong overseas to basically get the hell out of the U.S. when it comes to manufacturing. They say stuff in the press and lie through their teeth, but if the guys in China say they're going to be building them there, I know which newspapers to believe.
  
Moral - only buy cars with a 1 as the first number in the VIN. Anything else is literally shipping dollars out of our economy and overseas.

 
The Cruze will built in Lordstown, Ohio. It is also a world car and will be built in other plants around the world. Nothing wrong with that. GM just got the loan and you think they managed to build a plant in China? Things don't move that quickly. The Cruze will be in production in the next couple of months and for sale in many parts of the world. The delay for US production is because they are building an engine plant (in Michigan) that will supply the Cruze engines for the US version (1.4L DI Turbo).

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