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#31813 of 32000 Re: At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest... [imidazol97]
Feb 10, 2013 (2:10 pm)
No, for better or worse, I live in upstate SC, approximately 10 miles from the BMW manufacturing plant.
#31814 of 32000 Re: A Chevy comes in fourth [uplanderguy]
Feb 10, 2013 (3:18 pm)
But other than the market abandoning the category (it did in 1988 for the Monte, but GM execs didn't get the memo), why were the others phased out? They withered on the vine. Many others seem to be able to make competent vans and even 4 door liftbacks.
I think Avalon might have replaced a middle range Buick
To be fair, Echo was just the US name of what was the Yaris elsewhere, for many years. I'd blame marketers for that one.
Scion is a very cynical marketing exercise, and it warms my heart when I see older people driving them.
#31815 of 32000 Re: Last year of Cavalier (rhymes) [xrunner2]
Feb 10, 2013 (6:20 pm)
Smart consumers consider a variety of input in making their buying decisions, whether for cars or refrigerators. Input would include from those such as Edmunds, CR, Car and Driver, Motor Trend, Road and Track, Automobile and other publications whose job is to test and evaluate and give opinions on cars and other motor vehicles.
There are certainly SOME consumers who fall into other categories:
* The person who will consider many manufacturers but has a few they won't consider.
* The person who will only consider one manufacturer no matter what.
I think we have all three types on this board.
#31816 of 32000 Re: A Chevy comes in fourth [busiris]
Feb 11, 2013 (3:35 am)
I don't believe the names Impala, Malibu, and Camaro would have returned if they had the big negative equity so many seem to say.
I think that's a fair statement. Why start out with a hindrance?
I don't. Why drop a name and spend the money building up a new one unless the current one has become a liability? Especially Impala and Malibu, which were out of action for a LONG time.
As for not saying "boo" about other companies' name changes, I already responded. Toyota has a decent list of retired nameplates. GM has a much longer list, and this is a GM forum. So while Toyota has retired the Corona, Cressida, Celica, Echo, Tercel, arguably the Camry Solara, and the MR2, GM has retired the Vega, Corvair, Caprice, Citation, Chevelle, Chevette, Cavalier, Cobalt, Metro, Tracker, Beretta, Corsica, Blazer, Blazer again (the S-10 version), and this is just Chevy, without getting into the entire Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Saturn, and Hummer lineups of nameplates. The Caprice PPV, of course, is a separate name from Caprice.
Anyone still want to compare Toyota to GM? Thought not.
#31817 of 32000 Re: At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest... [busiris]
Feb 11, 2013 (3:40 am)
That's obviously impossible because the Captiva can't be bought or found on dealer lot. Uplanderguy doth hath declared it.
It's a nicely sized SUV isn't it? Interior looks reasonably nice too.
#31818 of 32000 Re: A Chevy comes in fourth [bpizzuti]
Feb 11, 2013 (4:40 am)
You know, too--of course you do, but par for the course here--that GM has had many, many, many, many, many more sizes/classes/models over the years than Toyota. To believe this has nothing to do with it is farcical.
#31819 of 32000 Re: At the risk of stirring up a hornet's nest... [bpizzuti]
Feb 11, 2013 (4:47 am)
You're right, bpizzuti--your Chevy dealer won't have a single new one in stock for you to buy, and they won't have it at the Auto Show either...and it's not on Chevy's own website. Wow, you finally figured that out! What busiris saw was a fleet vehicle.
Let me know again which dealers you knew had SS's in stock last fall.
It's OK, Fonzie, to say that you were wr....wr....wr...!
Go to your nearest Chevy dealer and look in their new car inventory stock, or in their brochure rack, for a Captiva. Let me know what you find out.
And you don't consider "Caprice PPV" to be a reintroduction of the name "Caprice"?
I think I've stepped into a Monty Python episode.
#31821 of 32000 Re: Lower price [anythngbutgm]
Feb 11, 2013 (6:52 am)
Interesting, I just picked up on this line: The vehicle is particularly important for GM because it’s sold in 100 countries.
I didn't realize that the Malibu was such a "world car". I wonder if that's one reason why it's a little under-sized for the domestic market?
#31822 of 32000 Re: Lower price [anythngbutgm]
Feb 11, 2013 (7:14 am)
You're a bit behind the times, anything. This was posted on here a week ago. Even with that back seat, CR still preferred the LT model by a point to the new Fusion SE and several other much-talked-about models from other makers on this forum.