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http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090108/AUTO01/901080403 Metro Detroit's hard-pressed arts organizations are reeling from a new blow. The GM Foundation has asked high-profile presenters like the Detroit Symphony Orchestra and Michigan Opera Theatre to exclude the foundation from budget planning effective immediately. That means MOT will not receive any of the $250,000 the GM Foundation had pledged for its longstanding sponsorship of the opera's spring season. The foundation also has canceled this year's pledges of $350,000 to Music Hall Center for the Performing Arts and $100,000 to the DSO. The cancellations are part of the GM Foundation's global suspension of major gift disbursements that amounted to $31.4 million in 2007, the last year for which the foundation has a complete accounting.
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Replying to: bumpy (Jan 08, 2009 4:33 am) 1, 4, or 5. Not quite. The assembly of a car is a sizable portion of the total cost of each car but the engineering/development and everything else is also. So that Camaro built in Canada does support a couple thousand jobs there but also supports many thousands more here in the states. Same with all the vehicles built in NA. Of course the imports that were designed and built overseas have minimal support here in the US. That in GM's case would be the Aveo/G8. I would say these had the same kind of US support as the Accord/Camry type vehicles built here. But we should have no problem if the buyer takes his US given rights and buys cars that were made in the US. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2009 4:42 am) By "made" do you mean designed? or built? or just assembled? And how many of the parts involved in the assembly should be US-sourced? 
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2009 4:35 am) Corporations should also look at many of the things they spend $ on. I know my employer spends a lot of $ on landscaping - maybe cutting the grass once every 2 weeks instead of every week would save. Also I saw an article yesterday that said the trend is for business travellers is to stay in less expensive hotels, and reduce the meals expenses. It would be good for all of stockholders, if corporations brought executive and management salaries and bonuses down a bit, and cut out the unnecessary expenditures that do not help make profit.
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 08, 2009 6:12 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 07, 2009 12:27 pm) Btw I have some theories on why there's barely any news on GM's Shenyang plant: 1) China's habitual restraint when it comes to releasing information to the "outside world". The practice remains even now. 2) By current standard in China a 2.67billion investment is a mere chump change that doesn't deserve much press coverage. It's true. In comparison we're talking about a country with the largest reserve in the world, vs. US with the highest national debt in the world. |
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Replying to: dieselone (Jan 08, 2009 6:36 am) Legally you can. And when the public finds out, they can legally take their business elsewhere, leaving you to legally go out of business.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 07, 2009 8:06 pm) Let's make something clear here. First off, D3 need to earn success, there's no "deserve", deserve only comes after results. This is not elementary school, where you "deserve credit" for trying and effort. We're not kids anymore. Second, the D3 products are still bad, however like I always said not all of them. In GM's case Corvette and CTS are world class imo, while Silverado, Traverse, Malibu, G8 and Tahoe are decent. That said, can this tiny group of select models cover the other crappy products? No. D3 are improving, but I don't think they deserve to be called good yet. Last, like it or not the truth is more and more imports build plants in US, while more domestics leave the US to save costs. No offense but why are you simply ignoring reality?
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 08, 2009 7:11 am) I don't want to drift off here. But in Santee, CA, where I own a home. The city can come in and fine you if your landscaping is not up to code and groomed. If business is bad you may be forced to lay off people to keep the city happy with all their regulations. Nothing is simple anymore.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 08, 2009 4:42 am) **** That's just not true, though. Urban myth level of wrong, actually. Sure, some money flows up to corporate, wherever that is, but that money usually doesn't contribute much to the economy. In fact, in the case of GM, since there are technically no profits, they pay no taxes on that money. And it doesn't cost 1 billion to physically design a new car at corporate. Not the way GM is doing it. The typical full sized auto plant in the U.S. contributes upwards of a billion dollars a year in primary and secondary costs that do go directly into the local economy. They design the cars in the U.S., but if they build them in a foreign country for a decade, that's 5-10 billion in lost money per plant. If GM and Ford have ten such plants between them, let's say, well, that's essentially a bailout every couple of years in lost jobs and money. The NUMMI plant in Freemont, CA alone does cost 1 billion in total upkeep and money flowing through it per year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUMMI Size of 88 football fields. These things are huge and when they're moved out of the U.S., it really does hurt a lot. And I'm not even talking about the snowball effect of thousands of people's jobs. Unemployed people are a huge drain on our economy, so it's almost like taking two hits. Where it is made is the vast majority of the money that actually gets into the economy from making a vehicle.(parts suppliers as well, of course, and not counting oddball practices like the Job Bank) Toyota makes a few thousand profit on each Camry made in the U.S.. 2/3 of that might go back to Japan, and maybe another couple of thousand for the engine and transmission. But last I checked, the things costs a lot more than 5K or so that's going back to Japan. The difference is all going somewhere - metal, parts, power to run the plant, gas to transport the vehicles, money to dealers... The list is literally nearly endless. Now, true, a D3 vehicle made in the U.S. is the best option, as more of the money is staying here, but I can guarantee that a truck made in Mexico is adding a lot less to our U.S. economy than a Honda made here. Surely someone has a list of D3 vehicles that are made in the U.S.?
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