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Feb 07, 2013 (6:29 am)
Front end is OK, if a bit busy. I see a bit of C-class in the way the grill jutts out and those lights are neat but that chrome moustache is a bit much...
The back end is a big ol mess. Looks like something that would have come out in the 90's. Very soft, like it should be on a Deville or DTS.
#31581 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:33 am)
when CR's Malibu actually scored higher than other much-talked about cars here, no one--and I mean no one--said a single thing about that, until I brought it up
You read it before I did.
Also, you've repeated that about 12 times, but the Eco scores poorly, and the plain Malibu beat the Legacy by just 2 points, while the upscale Legacy beat the Eco by a dozen points. So the Legacys had a higher average.
Not to mention, even if we limit the discussion to the entry models the Accord smoked them both by a wide margin.
#31582 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [ateixeira]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:45 am)
No question about the Accord, but you have to admit that the conversation here is stacked.
As usual, so much relevant was just left out of the discussion here. I firmly believe that had I not mentioned it, it would have never made it here at all.
What is your opinion that the base Malibu tested better than the base Legacy?
#31583 of 32000 Re: Cruze diesel to start at $25,695 [dieselone]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:45 am)
No comments on an important new product? Come on folks. People just argue, the product doesn't really matter at all, does it?
The price is ambitious, but so it the equipment. Leather standard? Was that necessary? 17" rims, too? Auto only is probably OK, that's the volume sale anyway.
I'm worried. Malibu Eco was also priced at $26k, and we all know how that turned out.
$5k more than an Eco will limit sales to rabid diesel fans in America. All 5 of them.
#31584 of 32000 Re: Cruze diesel to start at $25,695 [ateixeira]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:46 am)
A diesel domestic car? That can't be a good thing since Korea or Japan didn't do it.
#31585 of 32000 Re: What the Blech? [anythngbutgm]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:49 am)
Meh, I like it. Strong family resemblance, you know right away it's a Cadillac, yet it looks fresh.
#31586 of 32000 Re: Cruze diesel to start at $25,695 [ateixeira]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:53 am)
I'm glad to see more diesel options but I think they are going to hit a brick wall when it comes to pricing... as well as making a case when selling against GM's own Cruze Eco model that gets the same mileage for thousands more. Nice amount of twist tho
One other tidbit I read on the Chevy site.
Clean diesels generate at least 90% less Nitrogen Oxide (NOx) and particulate emissions when compared to previous-generation diesels.
It all starts with a 2.0L turbocharged clean diesel engine designed in Italy, built in Germany and installed in the Cruze at our factory in Lordstown, Ohio.
#31587 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:51 am)
the conversation here is stacked
Same way in the Toyota threads. When times are bad folks like xlu were bashing away, as things got better he vanished. Textbook trolling.
When the tsunami hit one guy said they deserved it, the posts were so tasteless the hosts had to delete them.
Both here and there I share news links and discuss NEWS, which is what this thread should be about, not decades old stereotypes and biases.
#31588 of 32000 Re: Cruze diesel to start at $25,695 [anythngbutgm]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:54 am)
Is it a Vauxhall unit, though? I wonder if it was designed in house by a GM division overseas, or contracted out to a 3rd party.
up's got a point, the Koreans and Japanese have yet to sort out a diesel that meets CARB emissions.
#31589 of 32000 Re: What the Blech? [anythngbutgm]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:56 am)
First thing I thought when I saw that rear end was 2000 DTS. Hopefully that's not the finished product, CTS needs to be edgier. At least it is bigger now, not that weird tweener size.