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#31574 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [imidazol97]
by steve_ HOST
Feb 07, 2013 (6:59 am)
But when a certain company's sludge, excuse me, gel, problems were repeatedly brought up in the forum for same, the sludge discussion was closed.
Ah, you're bringing back memories.
The discussion was about sludge specifically though, not the whole company. There is a Toyota on the mend? discussion right here in Auto News where you can gripe about SUA and all the recalls.
#31575 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [steve_]
Feb 07, 2013 (6:59 am)
I'm always wondering why this forum is GM specific when there is another one specifically for "fans"? I think that is a source of disappointment for alot of the GM "fans", there is hardly any action over there and yet this one, criticism and all, is the most popular... Not enough kool aid drinkers here
And IMHO, the Ford discussion forum is quiet because I think alot of those fans come here to discuss. I've been an Edmunds member for 8 years or so and for as long as I remember, this thread as de-railed numerous times away from the actual topic. Whether it be GM vs. Ford, Imports vs. GM, imports vs. Ford... Then there's pages of comparisons between cars from the 50's, 60's and 70's which I bet most posters weren't even alive for
My recommendation is to just re-name this thread as "Domestic cars, new models and market share" or something. Just my .02
#31576 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [steve_]
Feb 07, 2013 (7:24 am)
Oh, and regarding Chrysler, I think they have kind of slipped thru alot of the discussions because they kind of walk the fine line with Domestic car fans and Import car fans.
As I see it, Domestic car fans (not all, but many) will use them as ammo for calling out us "idiot" "unAmerican" Import fans to "Buy Murican", yet being partially owned (fully owned by 2014 btw) by FIAT, they are not willing to admit to supporting a "Furrin" automaker.
The Import fans remember the Chryslers "Bad years" and I think alot of them respect the efforts being made to re-group and re-build a once respectable automaker. Plus, Chrysler in General I think take alot more risks and really try to go against the grain with a product that doesn't follow the mainstream market. Look at their dedication to RWD cars like the 300, Charger and the late Magnum. What other automaker puts that kind of stuff out that isn't a 50 -60 thousand dollar Tuetonic masterpiece from Europe?
Chrysler still has plenty of "venom" and so does Ford. We just don't fully realize it because the name of this thread is "GM news and MS".
#31577 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy]
Feb 07, 2013 (7:23 am)
Yes, 21k. It's not a daily driver, it's a car that gets driven... hard. I also need to replace the tires every 15k and change the rear diff fluid every year.
What do you think the lifespan of brakes on a hard driven Corvette are? Or a Porsche?
Plus, they are 9 years old. And who knows, all I have experienced is a bit of wiggle when I deccellerate on the highway, they might just need to be re-surfaced.
#31578 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [anythngbutgm]
Feb 07, 2013 (7:26 am)
Man, those Honda rotors sure don't last.
I'm just razzing you, you know that.
#31579 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy]
Feb 07, 2013 (7:27 am)
>those Honda rotors sure don't last.
"Supplier's fault." That's the excuse over in certain other forums.
Feb 07, 2013 (7:29 am)
Front end is OK, if a bit busy. I see a bit of C-class in the way the grill jutts out and those lights are neat but that chrome moustache is a bit much...
The back end is a big ol mess. Looks like something that would have come out in the 90's. Very soft, like it should be on a Deville or DTS.
#31581 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy]
Feb 07, 2013 (7:33 am)
when CR's Malibu actually scored higher than other much-talked about cars here, no one--and I mean no one--said a single thing about that, until I brought it up
You read it before I did.
Also, you've repeated that about 12 times, but the Eco scores poorly, and the plain Malibu beat the Legacy by just 2 points, while the upscale Legacy beat the Eco by a dozen points. So the Legacys had a higher average.
Not to mention, even if we limit the discussion to the entry models the Accord smoked them both by a wide margin.
#31582 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [ateixeira]
Feb 07, 2013 (7:45 am)
No question about the Accord, but you have to admit that the conversation here is stacked.
As usual, so much relevant was just left out of the discussion here. I firmly believe that had I not mentioned it, it would have never made it here at all.
What is your opinion that the base Malibu tested better than the base Legacy?
#31583 of 32000 Re: Cruze diesel to start at $25,695 [dieselone]
Feb 07, 2013 (7:45 am)
No comments on an important new product? Come on folks. People just argue, the product doesn't really matter at all, does it?
The price is ambitious, but so it the equipment. Leather standard? Was that necessary? 17" rims, too? Auto only is probably OK, that's the volume sale anyway.
I'm worried. Malibu Eco was also priced at $26k, and we all know how that turned out.
$5k more than an Eco will limit sales to rabid diesel fans in America. All 5 of them.