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#31552 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [dieselone] by bpizzuti

Feb 06, 2013 (6:00 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Feb 06, 2013 3:56 pm)
What, you mean if you're too big to fail, you're too big to exist? Hmm, I seem to recall hearing that somewhere before...

#31553 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy] by circlew

Feb 06, 2013 (6:29 pm)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Feb 06, 2013 5:44 pm)
Another example of what I'm talking about is, when CR's Malibu actually scored higher than other much-talked about cars here, no one--and I mean no one--said a single thing about that, until I brought it up.
  
It's really exhausting.
 
That was then. This is now!
 
Get ready to really get exhausted. Page 23 of CR's "Best and Worst cars for2013" rates a buch of cars including the Optima high on predicted reliability for family cars above the 2 Chevys and the Optima SX and standard are recommended! Both Chevies are NOT RECOMMENDED.
 
Go Kia!
 
Regards,
OW

#31554 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [steve_] by bpizzuti

Feb 06, 2013 (6:08 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Feb 06, 2013 5:18 pm)
It's because most of us have already given up on Chrysler. Unlike GM, they're not worth trying to save.

#31555 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [bpizzuti] by steve_ HOST

Feb 06, 2013 (6:27 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Feb 06, 2013 6:08 pm)
Americans love underdogs so much, GM should take a page from Avis and talk about how they are trying harder.

#31556 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [dieselone] by tlong

Feb 06, 2013 (6:46 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Feb 06, 2013 4:58 pm)
Who knows if the books were cooked or if assets and expenses being pushed around.
 
Thank goodness we in the USA have the much better accounting of the US government and the big banks.

#31557 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [andres3] by dieselone

Feb 06, 2013 (6:47 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Feb 06, 2013 5:27 pm)
Same thing with 8-speed auto. Time will tell, and I'm talking 7 years before we can decide Chrysler's changed for the better.
 
The ZF 8 speed Chrysler is using is good enough for Audi, Rolls, Mercedes, and BMW as they all use versions of this transmission.
 
I think Chrysler has improved overall. Sure, there are a few dogs in the lineup, but they have several vehicles I'd consider buying.
 
The Jeep Wrangler and Grand Cherokee are very nice and well well too. The minivans are competitive, my SIL has an 09 Grand Caravan for a company vehicle and she's put 120k miles on it w/o any problems. The Ram pickups are very nice too.
 
Plus the 300, Charger, and Challenger are all cool cars. Okay, the Dart isn't doing so well and the 200 is kind of lame. I like the Durango too. I haven't driven one, but I have sat in them. The interior is very nice.
 
I'd certainly be open to a Chrysler product as long as I like how it drives. I'll be checking out some new GM products too as soon as the '14 trucks and Suburban are on dealer lots.

#31558 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [steve_] by tlong

Feb 06, 2013 (6:49 pm)

Replying to: steve_ (Feb 06, 2013 5:18 pm)
Okay, I can understand that - Ford didn't take a bail-out. GM getting bailed out made my next door neighbor so mad he purchased a Flex to replace his Bravada.
 
Here's a theory. GM was the biggest, so more people were affected. GM had the largest market share and has lost more share of the market than any other maker, so that means many, many more people have bailed on GM than any other company. So that drives the much greater degree of negativism.
 
I know that my impressions of GM were very negative well before the bailout. I actually think they've improved quite a bit, just not to where they need to be.

#31559 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [tlong] by dieselone

Feb 06, 2013 (6:49 pm)

Replying to: tlong (Feb 06, 2013 6:46 pm)
Thank goodness we in the USA have the much better accounting of the US government and the big banks.
 
LOL, that might be one of our major exports;)

#31560 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [tlong] by dieselone

Feb 06, 2013 (6:52 pm)

Replying to: tlong (Feb 06, 2013 6:49 pm)
I know that my impressions of GM were very negative well before the bailout. I actually think they've improved quite a bit, just not to where they need to be.
 
That pretty well describes my position on GM.
 
Once the Impala is replaced, GM should be in a good competitive position with most of their products. They have a few I'd consider at least.

#31561 of 32000 Re: Why the hate? [tlong] by steve_ HOST

Feb 06, 2013 (6:53 pm)

Replying to: tlong (Feb 06, 2013 6:49 pm)
Sounds good.
 
Wonder how the discussion would be going if Ford had not been able to get private financing and gone through a bailout too?
 
(Not counting all the loans and grants they got for EVs and such stuff).

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