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#31532 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:38 pm)
Please don't make me itemize the list of factually incorrect things I've seen on this board again.
The posts that are "incorrect" have nothing to do with GM's reality.
Start by itemizing everything GM did to go bankrupt. Then, itemize everything since bankruptcy they continue to do incorrectly. Feel free to add the things they learned to stop doing to prevent repeating bankruptcy.
I'm waiting eagerly....
#31533 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [fintail]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:40 pm)
Nice excuses. Kia/Hyundai are making GM look third-rate! I guess the Korean Government are all "Car Guys".
#31534 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [fintail]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:43 pm)
I don't recall any clear profitability being shown when the old organization was intact
Hyundai as a whole was loosing money, but that doesn't mean every division within Hyundai was unprofitable. I've read more than one article stating Hyundai Auto was relatively healthy at the time, same with Hyundai Heavy Industries.
given the mediocre to horrible Hyundai product of the era,
The D3 made money off lousy product for decades;)
#31535 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [fintail]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:49 pm)
Yep, some sort of carbon tax.
US manufacturing plants are zero landfill and cleaner than ever.
#31536 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [uplanderguy]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:54 pm)
I am positively stupefied at how much energy is exerted on a GM board by people who hate GM.
How does one determine that a poster "hates" GM? Would simply posting parts of reviews by Edmunds, or CR, or Car and Driver, etc about their "findings" and when the findings are not complimentary after they have tested a GM vehicle constitute posting "hate"?
#31537 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [tlong]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:51 pm)
They are more sustainable as long as they are coddled - which doesn't seem to be fading anytime soon. Even the leading makers receive gifts. Reminds me of college kids who are dependent on a parental allowance, if not a free ride, but pretend to be on their own.
#1 helped the competition compete, we're supposed to blindly embrace theory as we have with trickle down and free trade garbage, why not here?
#31538 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [dieselone]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:52 pm)
I don't recall those articles. I suppose creative accounting could make it work - move the R&D under another umbrella, and reap pure profit from manufactured goods sales. Hard to believe H was truly that healthy given their 1990s product line.
D3 didn't have real competition during most of their lousy days.
#31539 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [circlew]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:53 pm)
They know how to spoil their children, anyway. And when you received decades of developmental aid and still receive military protection, it comes that much easier.
#31540 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [ateixeira]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:54 pm)
I wonder how much prices would rise if environmental standards were equal.
#31541 of 32000 Re: Taking a Vacation [andres3]
Feb 06, 2013 (4:58 pm)
The funny thing is I did not like the Dart, but come on...
What has Chrysler done since 95?
Pentastar V6. We could stop right there, really.
Much, much better interior on the 300. Half of the rest of the lineup is about half way there but still much improved.
Have you sat in a Jeep Grand Cherokee? Wrangler will have a Pentastar V6 and an 8 speed auto soon, that's not progress?
Check out a Ram pickup, too, coil springs and ram box setting it apart.
They're not at the head of the class, but they are no longer the burn out who skips class and doesn't graduate, either.