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#31293 of 32000 Re: Age of Buick, Cadillac buyers and drivers [xrunner2]
Jan 31, 2013 (8:15 pm)
Gee it couldn't be that older people have more money to buy more expensive cars now could it? Note that in the link with brands median ages, none of them have an age lower than 40 ( I looked at it walked, what was the youngest, about 45? ). Buick did have a problem in that they age of thir owners was too old, they have done a lt t address it, and as mentioned above the age has dropped significantly, and I seem to recall Caddy did that as well. Chevy owners have basically the same average age as Hyundai and Toyota, and really everyone else, so I really don't think they have more of a problem than anyone else. If the average age was 10 or more years different than it would be a problem, but 1 or 2 is really not a big deal.
I think you are making a bigger deal out of this for most of the GM brands than it actually is, then again you seem to have an axe to graind with GM ( and you have every right to do so) and seem to think any small difference against GM shows that they are horrible ( that is the tone your messages have to me anyway, it may not be you intention though).
#31294 of 32000 Re: SIGTARP recalls [steve_]
Feb 01, 2013 (4:44 am)
I'm sure a lot of those ages are thrown off by parents buying cars for their teenage and early 20-something kids.
Also, if something is bought as part of a fleet, how is its buyer age factored in, I wonder? There's some Zipcar-like company in DC that bought a whole bunch of Smarts for their customers to use.
Also, I'm surprised to see how close together all those average ages really are. 47 to 60 isn't really that big of a spread. Basically, that means your average buyer, regardless of make, is a Baby Boomer. It would be interesting to see the breakouts for individual models, though.
And, Buick has done an incredible job of bringing down their average buyer age. I remember back in 2003, when MSN autos used to show average age in their listings, the Regal was something like 57, but I think the LeSabre was 67, while the Park Ave and Century were 70! I think the Rendezvous was around 45-48 though.
#31295 of 32000 Re: Mustang vs. Camaro [uplanderguy]
Feb 01, 2013 (5:21 am)
This is now, that was then.
This is now!
In other GM recall news, NHTSA is expanding a previous 2012 Buick Verano, 2012 Chevrolet Cruze and 2012 Chevrolet Sonic airbag recall to include the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro.
Feb 01, 2013 (6:02 am)
General Motors is recalling 8,519 2013 Chevrolet Malibus because one or more rear suspension bolts may not have been tightened properly.
The affected vehicles were built from December 6, 2011 through January 15, 2013.
Somebody must have been attending to many holiday parties;)
Uplander, IMO, this is how a vehicle can have varying reliability ratings from year to year. A recall like this is only due to a safety issue. What else could have been missed from the factory which simply was passed on to the dealer to fix under warranty. I'm not pointing this directly at GM as I think it applies to any manufacturer.
#31297 of 32000 Re: Mustang vs. Camaro [uplanderguy]
Feb 01, 2013 (8:10 am)
This is now, that was then.
That's what they call "heritage."
#31298 of 32000 Re: SIGTARP recalls [andre1969]
by steve_ HOST
Feb 01, 2013 (9:11 am)
Also, I'm surprised to see how close together all those average ages really are.
That surprised me too.
They talk about how kids aren't buying cars, but part of it is that kids often can only afford used cars.
My in-laws sold their Bimmer when they moved up here to the boonies and started buying Buicks. They had a friend who traded every 3 years, so they would buy his old one and then sell their car to someone else. All those folks in that hand-me-down chain were over 70, otherwise the average would have popped up, lol.
#31299 of 32000 Re: SIGTARP recalls [steve_]
Feb 01, 2013 (9:23 am)
I wonder if the economy accounted for some of that "regression toward a mean", or whatever they call it? It's getting harder for younger people to find a good job these days, and they're often more saddled with student loan debt than in the past. So, today they're probably more likely to buy used, get help from a parent, or even go car-less than in days gone by?
Similarly, older people usually buy less often anyway, at least in my experience. Many of them have probably seen nest eggs drop, pensions get reduced, health care costs go up, etc. So, they're probably buying less often, too. And, since the cars usually don't wear out like they used to, there's often no need to.
#31300 of 32000 Re: SIGTARP recalls [andre1969]
Feb 01, 2013 (11:32 am)
Looks like January was a good sales month.
Toyota up 26%
Honda up 13%
GM up 16%
Ford up 22%
Chrysler up 16%
Sales rate over 15 million.
Doesn't look like Toyota is being hurt by the recall mess.
For Ford, both the Fusion and Escape had great months. Over 22k Fusions sold and 19k Escapes.
Malibu sales are improving a bit to over 15k sold in January.
#31301 of 32000 Re: SIGTARP recalls [andre1969]
Feb 01, 2013 (11:37 am)
I remember the first thing I wanted to do upon graduating was buy a new car. I bought a new black 1987 Chevrolet Caprice Classic within a week of graduating as I was already working and any student loan debt I had was very modest. I doubt very many of today's graduates are as lucky as I was. Many have hard time time finding jobs that pay modestly and have student loan debt the equivalent to a mortgage.
#31302 of 32000 Re: Malibu recall [dieselone]
Feb 01, 2013 (12:09 pm)
dieselone, still, no one can tell me that one year, not the next, the next year, not the next--is the year to buy, not to buy--when the assembly location, engine, trans, most everything...has remained unchanged. Little blips, yes, but I still believe it's sample error and how the car compares to everything else that year. Do we even believe auto workers move in and out of those jobs that much? I don't. Frankly, I don't believe the Juke in 2011 is much-worse-than-average and the 2012 is much-better-than-average. I know about first-year stuff, but that kind of change? Even CR seemed embarrassed by it, as all they said was 'reliability average'.
A recall is never a positive thing (despite what bpizzuti has said! LOL), but GM's numbers are certainly waaaayyyyy smaller than Toyota's and Honda's of recent time.