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#31288 of 32000 Mustang vs. Camaro
Jan 31, 2013 (4:16 pm)
Mustang is the all-time winner. More info for the uniformed below:
This pains me to say, as an auto investor that happens to love his 2010 Mustang GT, but I must give credit where credit is due. The recently remodeled Camaro is one awesome looking ride, and consumers agree -- the Camaro has topped the Mustang for three straight years in U.S. unit sales.
The trend lines are improving for both, which should bode well for their sales and brand image, as the overall market improves. We'll see if these two muscle car juggernauts battle it out for sales like in the '70s and '80s, but for now Camaro has the edge. However, before you get too worked up, during the 42 years when both models were produced, the Mustang has won the sales title 31 times to the Camaro's 11.
#31289 of 32000 Re: Mustang vs. Camaro [circlew]
Jan 31, 2013 (4:30 pm)
This is now, that was then.
Honestly, I wouldn't buy either and even as a teenager I considered the Camaro just too impractical. I was looking at Monte Carlos (OK, I'm more mature now) and Malibus and new '75 Nova Customs and LN's...and a Vega GT and Monza 2+2 or two.
#31290 of 32000 Re: Mustang vs. Camaro [circlew]
Jan 31, 2013 (5:25 pm)
31 to 11.
Dang.. that's a lopsided scoreboard! And we chose to bailout the one that scored 11 points instead of the guys that scored 31? Strange!
#31291 of 32000 Age of Buick, Cadillac buyers and drivers
Jan 31, 2013 (6:00 pm)
Clearly the opinions of those in this forum or the ages of the execs aren't the major reason why GM's buying demographic is older. I don't think it's going to help GM to pass it all off as older execs. I'm not seeing them do enough to revers the age issue, which will be continuingly important to GM's long term success as the population ages.
One can go back and look at the last few decades and recall that it was mainly the senior citizens who were driving Buicks and Cadillacs. Not much has changed if one observes who is driving these today. Could be that buyers of the early Camaros and Firebirds are probably now seniors and have moved up to Buick and Cadillac. Being that the next decade will see millions of baby boomers aging into seniors, GM will be positioned properly with their Buick and Cadillac offerings when these folks start cashing in their 401's and IRA's.
#31292 of 32000 Re: Age of Buick, Cadillac buyers and drivers [xrunner2]
Jan 31, 2013 (7:38 pm)
But Boomers like Lexus just as much if not more...
#31293 of 32000 Re: Age of Buick, Cadillac buyers and drivers [xrunner2]
Jan 31, 2013 (8:15 pm)
Gee it couldn't be that older people have more money to buy more expensive cars now could it? Note that in the link with brands median ages, none of them have an age lower than 40 ( I looked at it walked, what was the youngest, about 45? ). Buick did have a problem in that they age of thir owners was too old, they have done a lt t address it, and as mentioned above the age has dropped significantly, and I seem to recall Caddy did that as well. Chevy owners have basically the same average age as Hyundai and Toyota, and really everyone else, so I really don't think they have more of a problem than anyone else. If the average age was 10 or more years different than it would be a problem, but 1 or 2 is really not a big deal.
I think you are making a bigger deal out of this for most of the GM brands than it actually is, then again you seem to have an axe to graind with GM ( and you have every right to do so) and seem to think any small difference against GM shows that they are horrible ( that is the tone your messages have to me anyway, it may not be you intention though).
#31294 of 32000 Re: SIGTARP recalls [steve_]
Feb 01, 2013 (4:44 am)
I'm sure a lot of those ages are thrown off by parents buying cars for their teenage and early 20-something kids.
Also, if something is bought as part of a fleet, how is its buyer age factored in, I wonder? There's some Zipcar-like company in DC that bought a whole bunch of Smarts for their customers to use.
Also, I'm surprised to see how close together all those average ages really are. 47 to 60 isn't really that big of a spread. Basically, that means your average buyer, regardless of make, is a Baby Boomer. It would be interesting to see the breakouts for individual models, though.
And, Buick has done an incredible job of bringing down their average buyer age. I remember back in 2003, when MSN autos used to show average age in their listings, the Regal was something like 57, but I think the LeSabre was 67, while the Park Ave and Century were 70! I think the Rendezvous was around 45-48 though.
#31295 of 32000 Re: Mustang vs. Camaro [uplanderguy]
Feb 01, 2013 (5:21 am)
This is now, that was then.
This is now!
In other GM recall news, NHTSA is expanding a previous 2012 Buick Verano, 2012 Chevrolet Cruze and 2012 Chevrolet Sonic airbag recall to include the 2012 Chevrolet Camaro.
Feb 01, 2013 (6:02 am)
General Motors is recalling 8,519 2013 Chevrolet Malibus because one or more rear suspension bolts may not have been tightened properly.
The affected vehicles were built from December 6, 2011 through January 15, 2013.
Somebody must have been attending to many holiday parties;)
Uplander, IMO, this is how a vehicle can have varying reliability ratings from year to year. A recall like this is only due to a safety issue. What else could have been missed from the factory which simply was passed on to the dealer to fix under warranty. I'm not pointing this directly at GM as I think it applies to any manufacturer.
#31297 of 32000 Re: Mustang vs. Camaro [uplanderguy]
Feb 01, 2013 (8:10 am)
This is now, that was then.
That's what they call "heritage."