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Replying to: circlew (Jan 06, 2009 9:20 am) Condos on the Ocean in Fla are renting for 1200 a month with landlords making 2400 mortgage payments. Strategy: live to fight another day. Look at all the retailers who have one down xmas sales year and have no cushion established and going out of business now. Stupidity. Should I not be happy with dealers advertising Malibu and Impala at $14,900? I am happy about it. In a way, I get my $134 share (one taxpayer's worth) of the auto bailout back if I buy one. I could live with the warranty risk for $5k up front. The fact that Honda's market share is rising does not make me happy. Reason: jobs, jobs, jobs. If an Accord is $5k more than a Malibu, I should join the masses and buy the Accord and then complain about the bailout (a whopping $134 to me) and wonder why there are no good technical jobs in the Midwest? |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 06, 2009 8:57 pm) You should buy the car that you feel offers the best value for your money. If that's the Malibu, so be it, but many others have chosen the Accord or Camry (or are waiting for the 2010 Fusion, heh). If more people felt the Malibu was better for them and GM was making money on each sale, then GM would be OK. Thing is, GM loses money at the price you mentioned, which is not good business practice. If the consumer is unwilling to buy a GM vehicle at a price that generates a profit for GM, then GM has to either cut costs, or make a better product people are willing to pay more for, so they an stay in business. Right now they've done neither effectively, so instead of being rewarded with our money, they managed to swing a bailout...and got rewarded with our money anyway. So absolutely you should complain. Heck, everyone who HAS bought their products are suddenly finding themselves paying more for it after the fact, is that right? |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 06, 2009 8:57 pm) That is like buying friends. Anyone can get customers by giving the product away. GM is trying to survive. I see GM as a giant beached whale. Too big for anyone to push back into the water without killing it. If you have never seen a beached whale it is a sad agonizing slow death. |
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 06, 2009 8:57 pm) **** Yet where are those jobs being made? Most likely in one of the new U.S. plants they want to build or if one of the D3 fails, a plant that they will take over. Meanwhile GM is moving more and more stuff outside of the U.S. Don't confuse "Made in America" with "Made in the U.S.A." when they start pimping their cars in the ads. Because, thanks to NAFTA, If it's made in Mexico, the U.S.A., or Canada, it counts as 100% domestic and "Made in America". Unfortunately these guys are weasels. You have to track where the money is going and exactly where the cars are made. If that first VIN number isn't a 1, you're not helping the domestic workers or economy.
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Replying to: plekto (Jan 07, 2009 7:42 am) That is correct. Looking at the door tag on my Sequoia, it says Made In USA. I believe it has as much US content as most domestics sold in the US. It was built by real workers in a factory in Indiana. Gauging by the way it was put together, they were happier workers than the Indiana UAW workers that built my 2005 GMC PU Truck. Made by Union workers used to carry a sense of pride with it. Does not seem to be that way anymore.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 07, 2009 8:57 am) |
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GM is number 4 just under Lexus virtually tied with MB and a couple ahead of BMW and way ahead of Acura. Yes, yes. I did say this, check the ratings and it'll say the ranking's good for Cadillac. However the fact remains that many people still complain. Like I said even BMW, who end up pretty good up the rankings, is notorious for the poor service by luxury standards. Almost everybody who's a BMW customer knows this. The same with Cadillac, good up the ranks but still suck in reality. Worse yet, BMW at least already got 2 extra bullets: superior products and world class image. Cadillac has one small bullet: 1 superior product, CTS, and a screwed up image. To keep up at least GM needs to focus more on giving red carpet treatment a luxury marque should have, at as many dealerships as it can, all if possible. The homework's not done yet. Besides, sales satisfaction doesn't translate to proper customer service, ownership experience is.
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Replying to: dave8697 (Jan 06, 2009 8:57 pm) Up from how many percents respectively? Honda never offer much in incentive and GM is notorious for giving us some of the heartiest portions of discounts. from what I see Honda can add incentive another 30, maybe 40% and it still won't be as large as GM's. The fact that Honda's market share is rising does not make me happy. Reason: jobs, jobs, jobs. Lots of Hondas are built in US now, try Ohio. Meanwile more and more GM cars are built overseas, try Brazil, Mexico, and China. Remember, dealers and GM officials say "made in America" not "made in the USA". In a way, I get my $134 share (one taxpayer's worth) of the auto bailout back if I buy one. I could live with the warranty risk for $5k up front. Yeah, do that and when congress ask for the bailout money back GM will say "it has been returned to the taxpayers in the form of GM discount"  Feel free to live with the 5k up front, but I hope you won;t cry like hell later when the resale value plummets. I think for the long term, not just up front.
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 07, 2009 9:54 am) Besides, sales satisfaction doesn't translate to proper customer service, ownership experience is In looking for data I came across this chart. Not tied to the service department but something to look at. Cadillac came in 6th out of 37. Room for improvement. What is interesting is that Chevrolet and Toyota are virtually tied. http://www.thescoop-cg.com/wp-content/uploads/jd-power-apeal.pdf |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 07, 2009 10:10 am) Absolutely, please post it here. I certainly could not find anything on the net. |
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