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Re: 2010 Equinox- 30mpg [nippononly] by 62vetteefp
Jan 05, 2009 (9:12 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 05, 2009 8:56 am)

Sorry about that. Toyotas website mislead me!! I pointed at the RAV4 base model and it took me to the uplevel model. Anyway I got there somehow but it is right in your face at 22/28. But still the 21/30 is competitive with the Rav4.
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Re: 20101 SRX [62vetteefp] by m4d_cow
Jan 05, 2009 (9:22 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 05, 2009 3:57 am)

SRX..2.8L....260hp
SRX..3.0L....300
RX....3.5L.....270
MDX.3.7L.....300
X3....3.0L.....260

 
You're charting this gen's engines as comparison. 2010's x3 is expected to use the upgraded turbo 3.0l making about 310 hp, and unless I'm mistaken next gen's 2010 RX also expected to use new 3.5l - 300 hp engine.
I still agree the 3.0 doesn't trail competitions', but calling it a lead in the hp game is so off.
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Re: Detroit auto show intros [bvdj84] by m4d_cow
Jan 05, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jan 05, 2009 9:07 am)

Count me in, bud. Those commercials really stain my TV shows. Remember Lincoln's? They seemed to play every 5 minutes driving me nuts instead of interested, lol...
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Re: 20101 SRX [62vetteefp] by m4d_cow
Jan 05, 2009 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 04, 2009 4:57 pm)

The new SRX will be offered with a choice of either front-wheel-drive or AWD.
 
Now they settle for FWD instead of RWD, cost cutting, due to the use ot Theta platform rwd is impossible. The use of lower class Theta platform kinda baffles me, but financially understandable.
 
Not sure FWD will lure enough buyers as most people in this segment expects either AWD or RWD. A gamble, indeed.
 
There are still a few hints of 2010 Equinox, and the front doors are definitely the same, but other parts seem SRX exclusive.
 
Engine choice not class leading, but at least up to standard.
 
Looks: better than before.
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Re: 20101 SRX [m4d_cow] by 62vetteefp
Jan 05, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 05, 2009 9:22 am)

SRX..2.8L....260hp
SRX..3.0L....300
RX....3.5L.....270
MDX.3.7L.....300
X3....3.0L.....260
  
 
I still agree the 3.0 doesn't trail competitions', but calling it a lead in the hp game is so off.

 
Has the most efficient engine (displacement vs. HP) at both ends of the competition.
 
What I said is above. I do not see how it is "so off". 2.8L/260 hp vs a 3.0L/260hp at the lower end and 3.0L/300hp vs. 3.7L/300hp at the top end.
 
As a side point how much power does a mid size CUV need in this new world order of greenness? It would be super easy to drop in a 3.2L turbo and get well over 300hp. Heck our huge Traverse with 281 hp goes pretty darn good.
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Re: 2010 Equinox- 30mpg [nippononly] by dtownfb
Jan 05, 2009 (9:48 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jan 05, 2009 8:56 am)

You're comparing a vehicle that you can buy today versus a vehicle that may or may not be on the market (depending if the company survives) for a year or two.
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Re: 20101 SRX [m4d_cow] by kernick
Jan 05, 2009 (9:51 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 05, 2009 9:22 am)

You're charting this gen's engines as comparison. 2010's x3 is expected to use the upgraded turbo 3.0l making about 310 hp,
 
I also noticed that the Future GM vehicles are being compared to the Current competition models.
 
If an SRX and the BMW X3 are within 10% cost of each other comparably equipped, the BMW is my choice. Why? I know BMW will be in business in 2011 and thus I'll have a warranty, they have a nice European Delivery discount and holiday, and they have 4 years total maintenance including wear-items.
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Re: 20101 SRX [m4d_cow] by 62vetteefp
Jan 05, 2009 (10:03 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Jan 05, 2009 9:37 am)

There are still a few hints of 2010 Equinox, and the front doors are definitely the same, but other parts seem SRX exclusive.
 
Wrong, they are different.
 
Also SRX is on a Theta premium platform. What the hell that means I do not know! Will have to wait til Sunday.
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Dec/08 sales release by 62vetteefp
Jan 05, 2009 (11:23 am)
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# December deliveries up 30 percent compared with October and up 43 percent compared with November
# Market share in December expected around 24 percent, up about 4 ppts compared with November, reflecting renewed APR rate support through GMAC
# Second half 2008 share up nearly 2 ppts compared with first half
# 2008 market share position anticipated to hold steady at just above 22 percent

 
down 31 percent compared with a year ago.
 
Chevrolet Malibu continued its solid performance with total sales up 43 percent compared with last December. For 2008, Malibu sales of more than 178,000 vehicles were up 39 percent, making it the highest percentage gainer in the top 20 vehicles sold in America with a volume increase compared with 2007.
 
GM inventories dropped compared with a year ago. In December, only about 872,000 vehicles were in stock, down about 36,000 vehicles (or 4 percent) compared with last year. There were about 397,000 cars and 475,000 trucks (including crossovers) in inventory at the end of December.
 
"We are building more vehicles than ever that provide great value and Americans enjoy owning. That is why, for the year, we are seeing our market share holding steady at just above 22 percent. That's 5 percentage points more and 760,000 vehicles more than our nearest competitor.
 
Ford Motor Co. posted a 32% drop in U.S. light-vehicle sales for December while Toyota Motor Co. reported a 37% fall and Honda Motor Co. had a 35% decline, closing out the auto industry's worst year in more than 15 years.
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Re: 20101 SRX [62vetteefp] by m4d_cow
Jan 05, 2009 (11:30 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Jan 05, 2009 9:47 am)

Excuse me but you're the one missing the point, youre comparing future SRX with current competition. To be fair you need to compare it with future competition models.
 
2010 SRX 3.0l - 300hp
2010 X5 3.0l turbo - est. 310hp
2010 RX 3.5l - est. 290-300hp
2009(current) FX 3.5l - 303hp
2009(current) Touareg 3.6l - 280hp
 
Those are SRX's toughest competitors (plus MB ML350), and it seems like only T-reg trails the HP game.
 
Plus, I can't imagine 300hp running on front drive (expect crazy torque steer), unless the 3.0 is restricted to AWD only.
 
Has the most efficient engine (displacement vs. HP) at both ends of the competition.
  
What I said is above.

 
Not really, you said: "Seems to me that the SRX leads the competition in the HP department. Has the most efficient engine (displacement vs. HP) at both ends of the competition" (post 3081)
 
Btw, when they all hit showrooms the BMW will have the best balance, fuel economy aside.

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