Last post on Feb 14, 2013 at 6:24 PM
You are in the Automotive News & Views-Archives
What is this discussion about?
#30868 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [uplanderguy]
Jan 18, 2013 (7:10 am)
Automotive News has a story about how GM plans to address the back seat issue.
General Motors Co., seeking to revive sales of its new Chevrolet Malibu, is working on speedy design changes to the sedan -- including the rear seating -- to make it more competitive with other midsize models
Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20130117/OEM04/130119831#ixzz2IL9QaloX
I think that's the correct plan of action. Old GM would have just slapped huge incentives and dumped them in to fleets.
Now they're actually using the feedback to improve the car.
#30869 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [bpizzuti]
Jan 18, 2013 (7:15 am)
Equinox has tons of rear legroom, but overall passenger volume does not impress given outer dimensions (2013 models per EPA):
Having said that, only the Rogue and Tiguan are truly undersized.
The 'nox is also only mid-pack in cargo volume seats and and also seats down.
#30870 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [ateixeira]
Jan 18, 2013 (7:18 am)
Given how much rear legroom it has, that sounds more like efficient packaging than a true disadvantage.
#30871 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [xrunner2]
Jan 18, 2013 (7:36 am)
xrunner2: The "sporty" part of Corvair was not part of the first handful of years of Corvair. These early Corvairs were definitely not sporty, but mundane. Sporty came some years later with introduction of convertibles.
The Monza debuted in the spring of 1960 and for the time, it was considered to be a "sporty," as opposed to a "sports," car.
xrunner2: The rear-engine design and early offerings of Corvair more closely resemble the VW bug layout. Defininitely not a sporty type car.
The Monza was a coupe with bucket seats, console and special interior and exterior trim. It was considered sporty for that time.
xrunner2: Ford was successful with their original car layout. Mustang still around after 50 years. Corvair, a flop, long dead.
That doesn't prove that the first Monza didn't inspire what became the Mustang. And the first-generation Corvair sold well...unless you consider sales of 250,000-300,000 annually to be a flop. Most people don't.
The Valiant, Dart and Falcon are also long gone...but check their annual sales figures in the 1960s. They outsold the Corvair in many years. Are they flops, too?
We don't have rear-engine, air-cooled family sedans any more because other layouts work better. VW has also abandoned this configuration for its passenger cars. Was the original Beetle a flop, too?
#30872 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [keystonecarfan]
Jan 18, 2013 (7:39 am)
When Sperlich and Iacocca say they were influenced by the Monza, and folks here still won't accept that, I guess it's time to move on!
#30873 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [ateixeira]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Jan 18, 2013 (8:05 am)
only the Rogue and Tiguan are truly undersized.
Stuff I've been reading lately indicates that younger buyers want smaller vehicles though. Younger as in their 40s.
#30874 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [steve_]
Jan 18, 2013 (8:15 am)
They do, and a whole new class of smaller crossovers has popped up:
Mitsubishi Outlander Sport
Subaru XV Crosstrek
Coming soon: Q3, many others.
#30876 of 32000 21 billion lost by US taxpayers
Jan 18, 2013 (8:50 am)
the 21 billion is not lost. whatever part of it that the union recipients of that money don't spend may be subjected to the 55% death tax.
Wow, to be crying about $21B, almost 5 years later, that went to a company that sold $250B a year worth of vehicles that generated $21B in tax revenues in one good year is amazing. Then throw in the fact that we borrow $4B per day from China to pay for things like to have Islamist books put in 800 libraries around the country. Yes, that was PER DAY.
Jan 18, 2013 (9:10 am)
They kept 2 parts from the old one. The air filter and one other part.