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#30858 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [bpizzuti]
Jan 17, 2013 (7:36 pm)
It probably should be. I think the Encore might be a mistake for Buick...if only I could figure out what Buick's image is supposed to be exactly.
They're heading down the same old road they were on before. Not much differentiation between divisions.
Let's see, the "commoner" division is Chevrolet. But, uh, they have the Corvette, which is an exotic sports car.
GMC is the "professional grade" division. Yet they have the family SUV, the Acadia. And a bunch (all?) of their vehicles are rebadges of other division vehicles.
OK, but Buick is the semi-luxury division. And they have the Regal - is that near luxury? And the Verano - what is the size difference between it and the Regal? That's also why they have a rebadge of the Chevy Acadia, now know as the Enclave. Except that in China, Buick is complete luxury with models that even make some of our Caddys look cheap.
Caddy is the REAL luxury division. That's why they have the Escalade, a tarted up Chevy Suburban.
We won't even talk about Holden or Opel.
#30859 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [tlong]
Jan 18, 2013 (3:45 am)
Though, by the good looks (IMHO) of the pearly white one with side molding I saw last Sunday, I'd foresake some of the 'comparo' stuff to have a car that doesn't look like a Camry or Sonata! But again, we're not a tall family and I do think that is the single biggest strike against the car. I'm able to admit that.
Back to the Equinox discussion--THAT vehicle is too damn small IMHO, and we test-drove one. That, and the fact they weren't dealing on them all, and my disliking the styling and 'image' of the thing, were all negatives. Even my wife ended up coming to the same conclusion.
#30860 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [dieselone]
Jan 18, 2013 (4:42 am)
With CR anyway the Malibu is rated about the same as the Sonata/Optima as it's positioned between them in the ratings.
Again, sales of the Sonata show GM is not leading whatsoever in mid-sized category. They blew and they know it. The leaders are so far ahead, it's laughable, sadly!
Why does that continue to happen...
"Don't worry about it, Dan. We have the Government in out back pocket. We can live on Silerado sales in the US and concentrate on cheap cars in Asia. We pay Uncle Sam back at a small loss so everyone forgets we failed in the first place. We can decontent the refresh on the Malibu and add room to the back seat and still come out aead."
#30861 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [circlew]
Jan 18, 2013 (4:53 am)
When I mention 'sales', I get 'ah, that's not the most important thing, it's how the mags rate the car'. When I mention that a mag rates the Malibu as better than quite a few of the Asian and German competition, the response is, 'ah, it's about sales'.
#30862 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [keystonecarfan]
Jan 18, 2013 (5:05 am)
I believe one of the reasons the Miata was such as success that there had not been a car like it on the market for some time. It was like a Triumph Spitfire that actually ran reliably. I recall folks overpaying for them when they debuted.
#30863 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [dieselone]
Jan 18, 2013 (5:33 am)
With CR anyway the Malibu is rated about the same as the Sonata/Optima as it's positioned between them in the ratings
Again, I don't own the issue, but I'm pretty sure that in the Feb. issue they would not recommend the Sonata Turbo because of its much-worse-than-average reliability record according to their survey.
#30864 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [uplanderguy]
Jan 18, 2013 (5:37 am)
Basically the malibu is rated well below the segment leaders and sales aren't even among the top 20. I doubt that is what gm was shooting for.
#30865 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [uplanderguy]
Jan 18, 2013 (5:41 am)
The sonata turbo and hybrid are not recommend. The non turbo model is recommended.
#30866 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [dieselone]
Jan 18, 2013 (5:57 am)
Oh, no doubt that Malibu has been a sales disappointment. Is it a horrible car as many have said or implied here? I don't think so. There are worse choices that have been highly recommended here.
There are a lot of reasons to buy a car, but buying one solely off of a magazine writer's choice is a lame one IMHO. There are a lot of personal things that aren't reflected in a writer's review, of course.
#30867 of 32000 Re: Question about Corvair influence [uplanderguy]
Jan 18, 2013 (6:17 am)
Back to the Equinox discussion--THAT vehicle is too damn small IMHO
Ok, that concept is just scary considering how huge it is.