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#30296 of 32000 Re: 3 years isn't enough [andres3] by tlong

Jan 08, 2013 (6:31 pm)

Replying to: andres3 (Jan 08, 2013 4:36 pm)
That being said, who here likes cars being reviewed after 3 years? That's just the warranty period, I'm much more interested in the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, and 10th years.
 
Exactly. I wouldn't even consider a car I couldn't trust to 60K+ miles. I've only ever gotten rid of a car once under 100K, and a couple have gone over 200K. My current one is still pretty sprightly at 130K and counting.
 
I want to know how a car holds up over the longer term. Somebody else can buy cars every three years, eat the depreciation, and power the economy. Doesn't have to be me.

#30297 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [circlew] by tlong

Jan 08, 2013 (6:33 pm)

Replying to: circlew (Jan 08, 2013 5:50 pm)
I just can't understand why the top global auto manufacturer doesn't have a #1 mid-sizer that blows away the competition in their home market!
 
This.
 
GM just pulled a Honda (like the recent Civic refresh). Difference is that Honda can afford the mistake, GM is much more fragile.

#30298 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [uplanderguy] by tlong

Jan 08, 2013 (6:34 pm)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 08, 2013 6:00 pm)
A 1LT was rated higher in total points than an Optima, Subaru, Altima, and Passat.
 
Maybe it will convince some buyers to come into the showrooms...

#30299 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [tlong] by uplanderguy

Jan 08, 2013 (6:36 pm)

Replying to: tlong (Jan 08, 2013 6:34 pm)
It's not the conventional wisdom. I hate conventional wisdom.

#30300 of 32000 Malibu gets some bad marks by xrunner2

Jan 08, 2013 (7:35 pm)

Replying to: circlew (Jan 08, 2013 5:50 pm)
Let's consider the Malibu as above-average dependability for a moment. Why have sales tanked?
  
I just can't understand why the top global auto manufacturer doesn't have a #1 mid-sizer that blows away the competition in their home market!
 
Saw Motorweek tonight (it apparently was a rerun) and they rapped Malibu on two counts. Poor rear seat legroom - they showed it. Poor gas mileage, only 22.4 mpg. This was a turbo that was tested.
 
Another car tested, in the ultra luxury ultra expensive segment, was a Bentley GT Turbo V8 with 500 HP and weighing 5000 pounds. It got 20.7 mpg per the testers. The show DID NOT compare the Bentley to the Malibu.
 
I know this is apples and oranges, but how embarrassing is it to GM that their Malibu got only 1.7 mpg more than the heavier and much more powerful Bentley.
 
People watching this Motorweek show probably wondered why the Malibu did not return far, far more mpg with a 4 cyl engine than the Bentley with a 500HP turbo V8.

#30301 of 32000 Re: Malibu gets some bad marks [xrunner2] by uplanderguy

Jan 09, 2013 (4:07 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 08, 2013 7:35 pm)
I think a lot more people follow CR than MotorWeek (for right or wrong). Again, the Malibu was rated higher than most all cars in its class, if one looks at total points, in the Feb. CR. They did mention its higher sticker price, but again, I'd ask what can the cars really be bought for?
 
I still believe it needs more rear legroom. But it's not a t*** like most people here have said without so much as getting within three feet of one.

#30302 of 32000 Re: 3 years isn't enough [robr2] by uplanderguy

Jan 09, 2013 (5:01 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Jan 08, 2013 5:46 pm)
Nah. JD Powers is more "we'll slice and dice the data until it says something good about your product."
 
Apparently, nobody told Benz, BMW, Audi, Subaru, Nissan, Mini that.

#30303 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [tlong] by circlew

Jan 09, 2013 (5:53 am)

Replying to: tlong (Jan 08, 2013 6:34 pm)
A 1LT was rated higher in total points than an Optima, Subaru, Altima, and Passat.
 Maybe it will convince some buyers to come into the showrooms...
 
Perhaps this is why it might not....
 
For US Automakers, Where Does Broken Trust Go?
 
So GM, consuming taxpayer funds, wiping out many dealers, investors and paying NO compensation, may need to look beyond BP to judge how long potential customers might hold grudges.
 
Regards,
OW

#30304 of 32000 Re: 3 years isn't enough [uplanderguy] by robr2

Jan 09, 2013 (6:11 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 09, 2013 5:01 am)
Apparently, nobody told Benz, BMW, Audi, Subaru, Nissan, Mini that.
 
More info please?

#30305 of 32000 Re: Malibu gets some bad marks [uplanderguy] by bpizzuti

Jan 09, 2013 (6:51 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Jan 09, 2013 4:07 am)
I'd ask what can the cars really be bought for?
 
This may shock you but there are mainstream cars out there that people pay sticker for. Or more, in some cases.

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