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#30261 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [uplanderguy]
Jan 08, 2013 (7:17 am)
That's 'perception lags reality'. Some good things being said about GM lately. Some of us already knew this, though.
#30262 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [uplanderguy]
Jan 08, 2013 (8:59 am)
Good for GM having some solid initial quality reviews. I'll reserve judgment until they start getting some red dots for vehicles 7 years or older.
Even the freaking Neon might have gotten some non-black dots it's first 3 years.
#30263 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [circlew]
Jan 08, 2013 (9:02 am)
One note: Why doesn't GM have a car in the Top 10 2012 sales list?
When I've told people in person that Big 3 vehicles suck face to face, the pro-domestic crowed almost always has countered with I had so and so for "enter 6 digit mileage here" miles, and never had any big issues. The so and so was ALWAYS "enter Big 3 truck here." I'd always countered with it seems the Big 3 don't know how to make a decent CAR, but I suppose they've figured out trucks.
#30264 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [andres3]
Jan 08, 2013 (9:28 am)
Well, per Power, 2009 models overall for Chevrolet are better than Audi, VW, Benz, BMW, Subaru, and Nissan. That's not 'new model' stuff.
#30265 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [andres3]
Jan 08, 2013 (9:36 am)
I'd always countered with it seems the Big 3 don't know how to make a decent CAR, but I suppose they've figured out trucks.
The Big Three have traditionally done full-sized cars very well too, but unfortunately that market has dried up. Oddly, GM was traditionally the king when it came to full sized cars, and Chrysler was always the weakest. Yet, now that GM has retired the old Lucerne/DTS, and Ford did away with the Crown Vic/Grand Marquis/Town Car, the only domestic offering even resembling full size, IMO, is the Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300. And even there, I think of them as more of a "big midsize".
#30266 of 32000 Re: year end rehash [andre1969]
Jan 08, 2013 (10:04 am)
Naah, they're definitely full-size (unless you consider Rolls Royce and Bentley to be "full size" anyway). I'm wondering how the redesigned Impala will stack up, given that it may be smaller (they should have just used the Caprice PPV and counted the extra rear legroom as a bonus).
Jan 08, 2013 (10:54 am)
What's also interesting is the seams that WEREN'T finished by the companies on many cars. For example, the 1973-79 Honda Civic had a body-color panel under the front bumper that was attached with bolts to the front fenders.
The 1970-71 Ford intermediates had A-pillars that were finished with a separate, full-length body-colored panel. The seams where this panel meets the roof are clearly visible.
Interestingly, for its all-new 1972 intermediates, Ford used a finished pillar with no visible seams, while GM picked up the separate panel with seams for the A pillar on its 1973-77 "Colonnade" intermediates.
Jan 08, 2013 (11:01 am)
uplanderguy: As a result, IMHO, they were a comfortable, pretty quiet car, and were roomy inside too as you've noted before. The Fords seemed cheap by comparison IMHO--however, IIRC, they were a good bit less expensive. An Olds or Buick intermediate in '78 could cross the $7K sticker mark--a Monte Carlo could do, now that I think about it--and that was pretty high back then for a car that size.
GM and Ford were downsizing their line-ups at different rates in the late 1970s - GM was the clear leader in this regard - so their offerings didn't match up as neatly as they did in the 1960s and early 1970s.
The Fairmont/Zephyr were replacements for the old Maverick/Comet, and thus were supposed to be inexpensive compacts. They competed with the Nova. (This got even more jumbled when GM replaced the old, rear-wheel-drive compacts with the new front-wheel-drive X-cars in April 1979.)
The 1978 GM intermediates were supposed to be new-age intermediates, and thus more expensive and more "premium" than the Fairmont/Zephyr.
Even though the cars were roughly the same size, the first Fox-platform cars weren't direct competitors with the GM intermediates.
That didn't happen until 1980, when the Fox-based Thunderbird and Cougar XR-7 appeared to take on the Cutlass Supreme/Regal/Grand Prix/Monte Carlo, followed by the 1981 Granada and Cougar.
#30270 of 32000 Chevy no longer "runs deep"
Jan 08, 2013 (11:23 am)
“Chevy Runs Deep” is being dropped as the Bow Tie Brand’s marketing slogan of choice, as the last vestige of the Joel Ewanick area has departed the RenCen.
The new slogan “Find New Roads“, is said to resonate better with consumers across the globe. "
I sort of like the new slogan, the old one sucked. Although even the new one doesn't mean much, but at least it suggests that you can drive the car!