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Re: GMAC [kernick] by dave8697
Dec 30, 2008 (4:57 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 30, 2008 8:52 am)

Seeing that it is the wealthier part of the population that buy new vehicles, and these people are likely to have better credit scores, I don't see where GMAC lowering their acceptable score is going to help drive sales much.
 
Many wealthy buyers don't need credit to buy. Many 750 and up people have savings and other financing paths that are better choices. I would put a new car on my HELOC at a tax deductible 5% interest rate and take the rebate. So you have to ignore maybe half the people from 750 to 850 FICO score. So, look at the bottom 80% as the credit buyer pool. The 20% gain is actually more like a 25% gain. But those gained are higher risk.
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Re: GMAC [dave8697] by 62vetteefp
Dec 30, 2008 (5:29 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 30, 2008 4:57 pm)

Elsewhere I saw a quote that this will increase the "buyers" pool by 80%.
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Re: Top 20 Nameplates through 11/08 [lemko] by anythngbutgm
Dec 31, 2008 (4:55 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 30, 2008 3:23 pm)

Cadillac isn't exactly ripping up the "cachet" charts either my friend. Quite the opposite actually. Aside from the CTS, Cadillac has nothing beyond a few rolling couches and a gangsta rap school bus. The V-series made about as much impact as a pebble dropped into lake Erie and with the SRX going from RWD award winner to front drive Generinox, it is becoming more like Lincoln, or even Hyundai each moment.
 
And while Hyundai is ready to release that barn burner that OW posted, Cadillac just cancelled it's CTS coupe. Oops
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Re: Top 20 Nameplates through 11/08 [anythngbutgm] by 62vetteefp
Dec 31, 2008 (5:57 am)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 31, 2008 4:55 am)

CTS coupe is not cancelled. It is delayed.
 
General Motors has confirmed that a number of its cars will be delayed, including the CTS Coupe and Chevrolet Cruze, which are being put on the backburner for around a year. The CTS Coupe wasn't expected to be a large-volume car anyway, so overall figures won't likely be hurt significantly by its delay. The Cruze, however, is much more central to the GM lineup.
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Re: Top 20 Nameplates through 11/08 [62vetteefp] by anythngbutgm
Dec 31, 2008 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 31, 2008 5:57 am)

Zeta was "delayed" at one point too.
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If I'm wrong by imidazol97
Dec 31, 2008 (7:06 am)
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feel free to correct me. But isn't the way it works that if the CTS coupe weren't delayed GM would be criticized for not cutting the number of models they are making as a way of becoming lean and more efficient. The theory for that being that more models represent an increased cost for a small production number.
 
On the other hand if they delay the CTS coupe they're not making a good decision because another company has a coupe coming that's in the same realm.
 
Have I got the drill down now?
Criticize no matter which they do...
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Re: If I'm wrong [imidazol97] by fezo
Dec 31, 2008 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 31, 2008 7:06 am)

You've got the idea!
 
Delaying the coupe is one thing. I'm far more concerned with the delay of the Cruze. GM isn't going to rise or fall much on the CTS coupe but it they can't put out small competitive cars and make a profit on them that's a serious problem. The Cruze is a key to that.
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Re: If I'm wrong [imidazol97] by anythngbutgm
Dec 31, 2008 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 31, 2008 7:06 am)

No. Cutting models from Cadillac is different from cutting dead weight brands which is what GM needs to do. The coupe is 80% done, nothing more than a sedan with the doors lopped off and the tail reworked. That doesn't seem like a whole lot of savings to me.
 
Cadillac is not holding down GM as I see it. Making changes to your more successful brand to save the failing brands like Saturn, Saab and Pontiac does. It reaks of Oldsmobile all over again.
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GMAC by 62vetteefp
Dec 31, 2008 (11:25 am)
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GMAC eases burden with $21.2 billion debt swap
NEW YORK (Reuters) -- GMAC, the General Motors financing affiliate that received a $6 billion infusion from the government, completed a multibillion dollar debt swap today designed to bolster its capital.
The lender said holders of $21.2 billion of debt will swap their stakes for $15.7 billion of new securities plus cash.
 
Looks like GMAC is putting its' cash to work. Sales at GM looking better for December and that is only with a few days of easier/available lending.
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Edmunds December forecast by 62vetteefp
Dec 31, 2008 (11:29 am)
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As I have said in the past Edmunds is NOT a good place for forecast data but here is what they say. Amazing to see Toyota/Honda at ~40%.
 
"We thought the bottom was October. Then we thought it was November. It seemed like maybe it's December, but we're not so sure anymore," said Jesse Toprak, Edmunds.com's executive director of industry analysis.
 
Many analysts are not publishing forecasts until later this week. But Edmunds.com and J.D. Power forecast sales decreases of between 37 and 38.4 percent. The declines would be the industry's 18th in the past 19 months.
 
Edmunds.com predicts Chrysler will see the largest decline in December unit sales: 45.6 percent from December 2007. Nissan North America will follow with a 42.1 percent decline. General Motors will lose 39.3 percent, Toyota Motor 38.8 percent, American Honda Motor Co. 37.7 percent and Ford Motor Co. 33.8 percent.
 
All automakers will see adjusted sales increases from November, Edmunds.com said, with light trucks outselling cars for the first time in nine months.
 
GM is also forecasting a better December than November, said Mark LaNeve, GM's North American vice president of sales, service and marketing.
 
"Our share performance looks good," LaNeve said yesterday in a conference call with reporters. Edmunds.com has predicted a 22.8 percent market share for GM, up from 20.6 percent in November.

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