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Replying to: m4d_cow (Dec 29, 2008 7:33 am) |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Dec 29, 2008 7:33 am) Then, we can create jobs the old fashioned way because an honest living can by the goods others create and make. We can't pay $4.50/gal. for milk and tax people at 30% and expect them to spend money to by the products other people make. Unless you buy everything on credit and care less when you can pay it back. Sound familiar? Regards, OW |
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Take a look at US CAR Sales through November 2008...Ridiculous! This is their best?? Top 20 Vehicle Sales YTD vs. 2007 Model YTD 2008 % Chng 2007 Ford F - Series PU 473,933 -25.4 Chevrolet Silverado PU 431,725 -23.5 Toyota Camry / Solara 411,342 -5.3 Toyota Corolla / Matrix 328,878 -4.1 Honda Civic 321,987 5.9 Honda Accord 350,441 -2.9 Dodge Ram PU 229,222 -29.7 Chevrolet Impala 244,692 -16.6 Honda CR-V 183,346 -8.6 Nissan Altima 252,357 -2.8 GMC Sierra PU 155,564 -17.5 Ford Escape 145,577 -4.4 Chevrolet Malibu 159,733 51.8 Toyota RAV4 128,225 -19.3 Ford Fusion 137,295 0.9 Toyota Prius 151,025 -9.6 Toyota Tacoma PU 135,962 -15 Ford Focus 184,152 15.7 Toyota Highlander 96,870 -14.4 Chrysler Town & Country 110,411 -10.9 The Big 3 sold 775,872 cars vs. 1,665,005 by the A3 in the top 20. Real nice, eh? Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 29, 2008 12:16 pm) I am really confused on why is the Cobalt not there? They have sold 175,259 thru November (-4.2%) Where does this data come from? Some of it does not agree with published data. Impala is correct but the Malibu is low. The G6 also sold 132,534 (down .3%) which would have been about 17th on this list. Whys is the Impala listed below Dodge Ram? The numbers are 08 so they are not reordered for 08??? What is an A3? But the numbers are from a different socio/economic time. For this coming year it will be more like what has happened from October on which will be very interesting. Pretty much all compact and subcompact vehicles (including Hybrids) have plummeted around 70%. Look for the Cobalt/Civic/Corolla/Prius to go to the bottom of the list and perhaps drop off.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 12:52 pm)  With the domestics, I think it is a lot more instructive to look at how retail sales have changed, because that's who is really BUYING these cars and trucks. I would assume, for instance, that while Impala sales are down so much overall, they are down a lot less for retail sales? I know that both Ford and GM have continued their 2007 successes this year in getting fleet sales down. Having said that, I will also say that what catches my eye here is just a few of the numbers: in year 3 (year 4? year 5? I am losing track) of the Lutz plan to turn the ship, GM's volume is still in the Silverado (as is Ford's in the F-150) whereas Toy/Hon's is in the Camry/Accord. They also have the Corolla/Civic, which has no sales counterpart on the domestic side, although Focus and Cobalt do sell well, just at roughly half the volume. And I don't know fleet numbers there, but with both of those models pretty old at this point, I would bet there are a lot of Focuses and Cobalts getting shovelled into the rental fleets.
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 29, 2008 12:57 pm) |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 12:52 pm) Let's see what happens in December. Goldman Sachs predicts GM is down 42%. Regards, OW |
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 29, 2008 2:27 pm) Edmunds Forecasts 5 Percent Further Decline in Vehicle Sales in 2009 I don't see a breakdown by make.
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 29, 2008 2:27 pm) What I do not understand is where I got my data for Cobalt/Civic/Corolla that said 65% drop. I know I posted it here yet the WSJ does not show that. Need to investigate. Found the data. It was a 65% from May to November. May was the height of the gas price mania and November is at the low. And with that data it looks like the Compacts will probably keep their relative positions. The Civic that was hot in May 2008 with 53,299 sales was not in November with 17,690 sales,(that is a 70% drop!!) according to the Automotive News Data Center. Ditto the Corolla, 52,826 sold in May 2008 versus 21,807 (60% drop) sold in November; and the Focus, 32,579 sold in May versus 8,194 sold in November.(75% DROP) Cobalt was down 65%.
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 29, 2008 2:57 pm) Also Malibu was the only vehicle in November to actually increase volume from 2007 (35%). Ram truck is 7th on the list. That shows that Chrysler has at least something to bargain with. If Nissan had the money they should pick up the truck part. |
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