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Re: GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Dec 26, 2008 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 26, 2008 6:22 am)

Has GMAC ever operated as a full service bank before? Do you think they will become a full service bank? I am still baffled at the no money to lend issue. It looks to me like the banks are now becoming more responsible in their lending. Loaning someone 100% on a new car is total insanity. At best it is worth 80% when you drive it off the lot. Unless the person has impeccable credit, no more than 80% should be loaned on a new vehicle.
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Re: GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money [gagrice] by 62vetteefp
Dec 26, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 26, 2008 6:40 am)

GMAC is a non full service bank already. What I find confusing is that there are two/three GMAC institutions. One/two an online bank / mortgage company which have different websites yet link into each other if you look at CD's.
 
http://www.gmacmortgage.com/index.html
 
http://www.gmacbank.com/index.html
 
And then they have a GMAC financial group that offers "Demand Notes" that when I call the above link they say they have nothing to do with the Demand notes, yet the logos look the same.
 
http://www.gmacfs.com/us/en/business/investing/demandnotes/
 
Which of these 3 are getting the money and becoming a bank?
 
Well I answered my own question. Per the media GMAC FINANCIAL will be getting the money. I believe that when Cerberus bought GMAC from GM they only purchased the Financial part and not the bank/Mortgage part? So now there will be two GMAC banks?? So confusing.
 
But now I found a link to GMAC bank/Mortgage from the GMAC financial website and this:
 
GMAC Financial Services is a global finance company operating in and servicing North America, South America, Europe and Asia-Pacific. GMAC specializes in automotive finance, real estate finance, insurance, commercial finance and online banking. As of Dec. 31, 2007, the organization had $249 billion in assets and serviced 15 million customers.
 
Founded in 1919 as a wholly owned subsidiary of General Motors Corp., GMAC was established to provide GM dealers with the financing necessary to acquire and maintain vehicle inventories and to provide customers a means by which to finance vehicle purchases. The company's products and services have since been expanded and now include three primary lines of business: automotive financing, real estate financing and insurance.
 
On Nov. 30, 2006, GM sold a 51 percent controlling interest in GMAC to a consortium of investors led by Cerberus Capital Management, L.P., a private investment firm, and included Citigroup Inc., Aozora Bank Ltd. and a subsidiary of The PNC Financial Services Group, Inc.

 
So it looks like all of the above is one company with 51% owned by Cerberus and 49% by GM. So the first link says they are a bank. What changed to make GMAC a bank that can get money? What is different that they can call themselves a bank holding bank??
 
FYI, GM got $13 billion for the 51% they sold to Cerberus in 2006.
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Re: GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money [62vetteefp] by steve_ HOST
Dec 26, 2008 (8:29 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 26, 2008 7:42 am)

And to further confuse things, as part of the "becoming a bank" deal, both Cerberus and GM have to get rid of a lot of their ownership of GMAC (but don't ask me which GMAC).
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Re: GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money [62vetteefp] by jae5
Dec 26, 2008 (11:52 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 26, 2008 6:22 am)

But '62, I'm wondering if GMAC Financial* (* thinking this is the portion becoming the bank), will actually lend. I mean, if they follow the ways of the others blessed with taxpayer help, they may just hoard the bailout bonanza. What do you think?
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Re: GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money [jae5] by 62vetteefp
Dec 26, 2008 (12:33 pm)
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Replying to: jae5 (Dec 26, 2008 11:52 am)

When Cerberus held 51% they had cut off the dealers and auto loans. Now that they have money to loan hopefully they will do so. Of course it is possible they sit on it. Per the financial media it takes time to get the money out and the great banks hopefully will get it going. We will soon find out!!
 
If GM held 51% I would say it would get out since it would help GM. At 10% with non voting shares I believe they will have little recourse?
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Camaro issue by 62vetteefp
Dec 26, 2008 (7:38 pm)
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General Motors has spent millions of dollars developing and marketing its 2010 Chevrolet Camaro, which is scheduled to go into production in February. But the bankruptcy of an interior parts supplier is threatening to delay the pony car, which isn’t just bad news for GM, but could have a ripple effect on dealers and even other suppliers.
 
In an effort to prevent a delay of the new Camaro, GM has filed a lawsuit against Cadence Innovation LLC, accusing the company of “holding hostage” the parts it needs to put the car into production. The suit demands Cadence immediately hand over the parts and equipment required for a new supplier to take over. GM says it needs to have a new supplier in place by January 12th, or it will not be able to begin production of the Camaro on schedule.
 
“Even one day’s disruption in supply of certain component parts could cause a shutdown of GM assembly operations, disrupting not only GM’s business, but the operations of countless suppliers, dealers, customers and other stakeholders,” the lawsuit states.
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Re: Camaro issue [62vetteefp] by m4d_cow
Dec 27, 2008 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 26, 2008 7:38 pm)

Ok, now that's bad. I personally find Camaro one of the few goodies GM has and now it's future in jeopardy.
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Re: Camaro issue [62vetteefp] by kernick
Dec 27, 2008 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 26, 2008 7:38 pm)

Hmm - any manufacturer who has a millions of $ on the line, and only has 1 supplier of any critical part, hasn't really done any strategic planning.
 
My company for example has our R&D people sourcing materials from a 2nd supplier even if we don't use them. We have them as a backup. On some of our parts we buy 50% from Supplier 1 and 50% from Supplier 2 to keep both in business, and to play one against the other if needed.
 
GM then is really vulnerable to any strike. Or what if the plant making those parts has a fire and burns down tomorrow? Maybe GM ought to manage better, and stop suing others because of their stupidity.
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Re: Camaro issue [kernick] by plekto
Dec 27, 2008 (11:05 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 27, 2008 7:55 am)

As if we needed another piece of news to show how top heavy and brain-dead GM is being run. Our government is throwing all of that money away in a futile attempt to "save" something that the public has clearly wanted to just go away for a while now.
 
And the truth to be told, there are more "foreign" plants operating on U.S. soil than ther are GM plants. Canada isn't the U.S. auto industry. Mexico isn't either. China is pretty much the anti-industry(think Anti-Christ for appropriate emphasis here).
 
Tennessee and Georgia? Last I checked, those are inside the U.S. Yes, it's a "Japanese" make, but the reality is is that the U.S. auto industry has been taken over just like the TV and electronics industries were. And last I checked, people seem awfully happy to buy those iPods. And Hondas and Toyotas.
 
Lastly - I bring this up again because the reality is that it doesn't matter where the car company's headquarters is. All that matters is where it's made. Those plants generate hundreds of millions of dollars a year in wages, upkeep, taxes, and other money just to keep running. And 99% of it is staying in the local economy. Honda is making a couple of thousand profit over cost on most cars that it sells. Most of that is eaten up by marketing and other costs, though. Their actual "profit" is very small. More than 50% of the entire cost of the car that you buy, though, is going into the pockets of the workers or someone who works or services or supplies the plant.
 
The NUUMI plant in Fremont, CA. Generates a total of one billion dollars to the state economy. That's GM and Toyota working together, but it's not the norm. It's buying "Not made in the U.S." that's killing our industry. Not failing to support GM, Ford, and Chrysler.

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