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Re: Why wait for the Volt? [gagrice] by uplanderguy
Dec 25, 2008 (7:39 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 24, 2008 6:07 am)

That the Fusion is built in Mexico is enough to keep me from considering it. Ford seems to build more cars (probably can't say that about trucks) in Mexico than GM does; not sure why.
 
Bill
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Re: Why wait for the Volt? [uplanderguy] by gagrice
Dec 25, 2008 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: uplanderguy (Dec 25, 2008 7:39 am)

My favorite vehicle to date was my 1998/99 Chevy Suburban. It was assembled in Mexico. I kept it 7 years, and should not have sold it to buy a 2005 GMC hybrid PU truck. The fit and finish on the Mexican built Suburban was better than the US-UAW built GMC Sierra PU truck. The 3 previous GM PU trucks were built in Canada and Mexico. All were better than the last GM truck. So when I see reports that GM is improving I question which vehicles. GM sure did not improve from 1998 to 2005 building PU trucks.
 
So two reasons Ford may build more in Mexico. Cost of labor and quality of workmanship. I would bet you get less complaining out of Mexican workers also. They are Union in Mexico. So that should please Rock & DD.
 
That's not to say Detroit isn't already saving a bundle by moving to Mexico. Mexican assembly workers average just $3.50 an hour plus benefits, compared with about $27 hourly plus benefits at a GM or Ford plant in the U.S.
 
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_15/b4029081.htm
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Well... by iluvmysephia1
Dec 25, 2008 (9:04 am)
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then, that explains it then.
 
That's not to say Detroit isn't already saving a bundle by moving to Mexico. Mexican assembly workers average just $3.50 an hour plus benefits, compared with about $27 hourly plus benefits at a GM or Ford plant in the U.S.
 
Look at the savings Ford realizes by having their vehicles built there! The benefits are added to that $3.50/hr., true, but how much could the bene's be? Interesting and telling bit of data there.
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Re: Well... [iluvmysephia1] by gagrice
Dec 25, 2008 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 25, 2008 9:04 am)

I really don't mind helping our neighbors to the South. I would imagine that $3.50 per hour is decent pay down there. Not like $30 in Flint would be. But a good living wage. Unless the Big 3 can shed their high costs up here they will have to do more in other countries. With the open borders to trucking why not Mexico and to a lesser degree Canada. Here is a question. In 2007 Congress allocated $25 billion for upgrading 20 year or older factories and for use on alternative energy research. I don't think a penny of that has been spent. Shows you how interested the B3 is in upgrading their US factories. They just keep shutting more down.
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gagrice... by iluvmysephia1
Dec 25, 2008 (4:37 pm)
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where is GM planning on building the Chevy Volt, BTW? Cananada? Misspelling on purpose!
 
Or by my new dentist friend in Sonora, Mexico?
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Re: gagrice... [iluvmysephia1] by cooterbfd
Dec 25, 2008 (4:58 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Dec 25, 2008 4:37 pm)

The (not sure of spelling) Hammtramck plant in Michigan.
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Re: Well... [gagrice] by 62vetteefp
Dec 25, 2008 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 25, 2008 10:02 am)

In 2007 Congress allocated $25 billion for upgrading 20 year or older factories and for use on alternative energy research. I don't think a penny of that has been spent. Shows you how interested the B3 is in upgrading their US factories. They just keep shutting more down.
 
Actually the government has not yet decided how the money will be distributed. Once they figure it out the automakers can then put in proposals and ask for it. But perhaps we are talking something different. The $25 billion for alternative energy research, etc. was not approved until September of this year. I do not know of, and could not find anything from 2007 pertaining to this.
 
http://blog.mlive.com/chronicle/2008/09/auto_industry_to_receive_25_bi.html
 
And as far as shutting down plants we will see more of it. GM up to this year had to keep plants open due to the fact that even if they closed a plant they still had to pay the workers even if they were sitting home. This last contract allowed massive hourly buy outs and the elimination of job banks.
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GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money by 62vetteefp
Dec 26, 2008 (6:22 am)
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Looks like GMAC is now allowed to become a bank and get part of the bailout monies. So now they have the cash to load to dealers and get them going again. Very good news. Secondarily GM needs to divest from 49% to 10%. So some of that bailout money should go directly to GM for that 39%. Should be over $1 billion.
 
GMAC LCC won Federal Reserve approval on Wednesday to become a bank holding company, giving it access to government lending programs, after owners General Motors and Cerberus agreed to cut their stakes.
GM agreed to reduce its 49 percent stake in GMAC to no more than 10 percent, while Cerberus, which owns 51 percent, will distribute equity interests to investors to get its control to no more than 14.9 percent of voting shares.
 
"GMAC believes becoming a bank holding company is the best long-term solution to provide automotive and mortgage financing to consumers and businesses, including auto dealers," spokeswoman Gina Proia said.
 
GM's dealers had said that their customers were having difficulty getting credit from GMAC to buy new cars and were pressing for a swift resolution of GMAC's bid to become a bank.
 
Detroit-based GMAC already has a banking unit that offers certificates of deposit and online savings accounts, but becoming a bank holding company will make it eligible for government support, including guarantees of new debt that it issues. The company could also apply for billions of dollars of capital under the government's $700 billion financial rescue program. ...
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Re: GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money [62vetteefp] by gagrice
Dec 26, 2008 (6:40 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 26, 2008 6:22 am)

Has GMAC ever operated as a full service bank before? Do you think they will become a full service bank? I am still baffled at the no money to lend issue. It looks to me like the banks are now becoming more responsible in their lending. Loaning someone 100% on a new car is total insanity. At best it is worth 80% when you drive it off the lot. Unless the person has impeccable credit, no more than 80% should be loaned on a new vehicle.
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Re: GMAC gets finanacial loans and GM to make money [gagrice] by 62vetteefp
Dec 26, 2008 (7:42 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 26, 2008 6:40 am)

GMAC is a non full service bank already. What I find confusing is that there are two/three GMAC institutions. One/two an online bank / mortgage company which have different websites yet link into each other if you look at CD's.
 
http://www.gmacmortgage.com/index.html
 
http://www.gmacbank.com/index.html
 
And then they have a GMAC financial group that offers "Demand Notes" that when I call the above link they say they have nothing to do with the Demand notes, yet the logos look the same.
 
http://www.gmacfs.com/us/en/business/investing/demandnotes/
 
Which of these 3 are getting the money and becoming a bank?
 
Well I answered my own question. Per the media GMAC FINANCIAL will be getting the money. I believe that when Cerberus bought GMAC from GM they only purchased the Financial part and not the bank/Mortgage part? So now there will be two GMAC banks?? So confusing.
 
But now I found a link to GMAC bank/Mortgage from the GMAC financial website and this:
 
GMAC Financial Services is a global finance company operating in and servicing North America, South America, Europe and Asia-Pacific. GMAC specializes in automotive finance, real estate finance, insurance, commercial finance and online banking. As of Dec. 31, 2007, the organization had $249 billion in assets and serviced 15 million customers.
 
Founded in 1919 as a wholly owned subsidiary of General Motors Corp., GMAC was established to provide GM dealers with the financing necessary to acquire and maintain vehicle inventories and to provide customers a means by which to finance vehicle purchases. The company's products and services have since been expanded and now include three primary lines of business: automotive financing, real estate financing and insurance.
 
On Nov. 30, 2006, GM sold a 51 percent controlling interest in GMAC to a consortium of investors led by Cerberus Capital Management, L.P., a private investment firm, and included Citigroup Inc., Aozora Bank Ltd. and a subsidiary of The PNC Financial Services Group, Inc.

 
So it looks like all of the above is one company with 51% owned by Cerberus and 49% by GM. So the first link says they are a bank. What changed to make GMAC a bank that can get money? What is different that they can call themselves a bank holding bank??
 
FYI, GM got $13 billion for the 51% they sold to Cerberus in 2006.

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