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Replying to: torque_r (Dec 23, 2008 9:01 pm) While GM was trumpeting the Volt, Ford was quietly designing a competitive hybrid. |
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 23, 2008 10:52 pm) Malibu hybrid is definitely spanked. Fusion Hybrid may end up being the next Car of the Year, not just for being the best hybrid midsize around, but for bailing out Ford from within. If they can get the message out, get people to come in to the dealers and consider it (let's face it, some people are too sour on the D3 to even consider it)...word is it's a great midsize in general too, though we'll have to see how it holds up against Accord and Altima. AWD availability is a nice thing that Camry, Accord, and Altima just don't offer, which helps too. I think we may have ourselves a seriously competitive midsize here. And I DO love Fusion's styling...never liked Camry's looks, Accord's are OK, Altima's are OK, but in both cases I liked the previous generation better. |
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 23, 2008 10:50 pm) Again, so that we don't think you're just spinning, your title says "imports reiterate supplier issue". The quotes were from an association representing Toyota, Honda, Nissan and 11 other automakers. Sounds like a general US trade association that is probably 50% D3. I didn't see any quotes from the J3 in the article. It is a trade association made up of all auto makers in the US EXCEPT the big 3. I have posted Toyota qoutes that agree with the subject matter here before. |
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 23, 2008 10:52 pm) It will be interesting to see if those who have clamored for more fuel-efficient vehicles from American automakers and less reliance on foreign oil will support these Ford hybrids by actually buying one when the cars go on sale in early 2009. Ford also emphasized that the Fusion Hybrid’s E.P.A. rating bests its main competitor, the Toyota Camry Hybrid, by “8 m.p.g. in the city and 2 m.p.g. on the highway.” The Fusion’s city rating also is one mile a gallon better than the Honda Civic Hybrid. The Fusion also crushes anything General Motors and Chrysler have to offer. http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/23/ford-fusion-hybrid-is-rated-at-41-mpg- /?hp If it has a bigger trunk than the cramped Camry Hybrid it should outsell the Toyota offering. It is better looking than any of the competitors. It is fitting that Ford should end up the standard bearer for AMERICAN AUTO MAKING. So long GM 
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 24, 2008 6:07 am) I read somewhere that the Fusion hybrid only has a 12 cubic foot trunk. That's pretty bad for a midsized car, but not for a midsized hybrid that's based on an existing car. In contrast, the Camry hybrid has an 11 cubic foot trunk, and the Altima only has a 10 cubic foot trunk! The Malibu hybrid has a 15 cubic foot trunk, probably because it's that "mild hybrid" system that probably doesn't take up as much space for batteries, I'm guessing. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 24, 2008 6:07 am) See, it IS possible for an American company to compete, innovate, and dominate. Unfortunately, GM is not that company.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Dec 24, 2008 6:31 am) GM had the lead with the EV-1 and development of the NiMH battery used in all the Hybrids. They threw it all away to satisfy the 1990s Me generation's lust for the Big SUVs. GM 40 years ago was a leader. Toyota among others copied GM engine designs and who knows what else. They got lazy and lost the drive to be number one. Well now they are no longer number one. I don't think they will be able to hang on as number two much longer.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 24, 2008 7:44 am) |
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Replying to: torque_r (Dec 23, 2008 9:08 pm) I've received some hate filled comments at other sites saying that I'm evil, unpatriotic, etc, etc. Some even suggested that I'm a terrorist wishing harm to US economy for not supporting the D3. Yeah, whatever. Here's the deal, I have issues with the D3 asking for taxpayers money to save them. It's their problem, not ours, and we shouldn't be penalized for it. The same goes to bailing out the banks, I dont support it either. Buy and takeover the banks and companies if the government must, but dont give them money with no strings attached. Without this bailout issue, I simply don't care if the D3 goes bust. What's the point supporting the D3 when they dont even bother giving us what we want, high-quality products that we can actually cross-shop with the imports. I won't bother supporting arrogance, greed, lazyness and corrupt minds the D3 are all about. It's made in America so we have to support it? Please.... (well, at least Ford is finally learning a lesson) The only reason I'm being soft in my views is because of the current state of the economy. Otherwise, I'd say drop dead, period. |
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and Toyota may be headed for that as well (they're in for a wakeup call when that new Fusion hits the streets). Toyota is actually pretty pigheaded. It got the first wakeup call when the 2003 Altima hit it, hard. They woke up, for about a second and then went back to sleep. The Malibu didnt do a good job. I'm curious to see if the Fusion will be able to kick Toyota harder in the nut. |
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