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#29118 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [andre1969] by lemko

Dec 07, 2012 (1:47 pm)

Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 07, 2012 12:14 pm)
Driving my Mercury Grand Marquis and my Cadillac DTS back-to-back, you notice the stark gulf between the two.

#29119 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [bpizzuti] by busiris

Dec 07, 2012 (2:17 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Dec 07, 2012 12:39 pm)
I agree with the hatch thing. I have to believe Cruze's with the hatchback option would be very popular.

#29120 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [busiris] by bpizzuti

Dec 07, 2012 (2:37 pm)

Replying to: busiris (Dec 07, 2012 2:17 pm)
Those companies that are selling hatches seem to be having success with them, but it might be because the selection is a little more limited:
 
Ford Focus
Mazda3
Hyundai Elantra (GT)
Toyota Corolla/Matrix
Kia Forte
Subaru Impreza
Mini Cooper (if you want to include it)
 
Sedans only:
Chevy Cruze
Dodge Dart
Honda Civic
Nissan Sentra
 
Wow, only four holdouts in the compact class.

#29121 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [busiris] by dieselone

Dec 07, 2012 (2:40 pm)

Replying to: busiris (Dec 07, 2012 2:17 pm)
I don't know if a Cruze hatch would be popular, but I certainly think it's a mistake to not make one. I wonder what the hatch/sedan mix is with the models that offer both.

#29122 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [dieselone] by andre1969

Dec 07, 2012 (2:44 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Dec 07, 2012 2:40 pm)
And annoyingly, there is a Cruze hatch. Just not in the US. And, it's not a bad looking rig, either.

#29123 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [andre1969] by dieselone

Dec 07, 2012 (2:47 pm)

Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 07, 2012 2:44 pm)
I forgot about that. I wonder why they don't bring it here?

#29124 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [dieselone] by bpizzuti

Dec 07, 2012 (2:54 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Dec 07, 2012 2:47 pm)
Because Americans don't buy hatchbacks. Unless their suspensions are jacked up, they're given truck-like styling, and they get 10 less MPG.

#29125 of 32000 Re: BMW recall [busiris] by uplanderguy

Dec 07, 2012 (3:34 pm)

Replying to: busiris (Dec 07, 2012 12:14 pm)
My neighbor's daughter drives one of the X5's in the recall, and the local dealer performed the "fix" on her vehicle this morning, so it seems that there is, at a minimum, some replacement parts already available in normal stock for at east some BMW repairs.
 
Edmunds' article must be wrong then. Not a crisis, and not the first time.
 
It said that the recall was anticipated to start in January, and that parts were 'in transit' from Germany for the repair. The article was dated yesterday (12/6).
 
If your neighbor's dealer had parts in stock, it was probably because they had had folks in with the issue before, and stocked the parts, prior to the issue becoming a recall.

#29126 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [keystonecarfan] by tlong

Dec 07, 2012 (3:46 pm)

Replying to: keystonecarfan (Dec 07, 2012 10:30 am)
The "Dustbuster" vans were criticized more for their enormous hood and windshield, which gave the impression that you were driving the vehicle from the back seat, while cutting into available room
 
I also seem to recall that they had horrible crash test results.

#29127 of 32000 Re: Consumer Reports continues to conspire [uplanderguy] by tlong

Dec 07, 2012 (3:49 pm)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Dec 07, 2012 11:39 am)
I know to me, interior space and price meant more to me than 'tactile feel of switches'. As long as they don't come off and continue to operate, I couldn't lose sleep over that.
 
There's certainly logic to that. However, market performance of the industry seems to show that for an awful lot of buyers, cheap and big are NOT the important criteria. So for a make to be broadly successful, it needs to cater to those buyers, too.

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