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by m4d_cow
Dec 22, 2008 (10:39 am)
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Of course, during all this Equinox commotion we all seem to totally forget that the Captiva, a.k.a Vue, Antara, and I guess future Equinox, are all based on Daewoo Winstorm. Yes you read that right, designed as Daewoo in Bupyeong Korea, from Chevy S3X concept.
 
The good side? This proves, doesnt matter where a car came from, as long as its good.
 
Bad side? Why, GM, why do we have to deal with clones again????
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Re: Wonder [tlong] by m4d_cow
Dec 22, 2008 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 21, 2008 11:31 pm)

OK, but Honda sells the Fit and it has received excellent reviews, especially the new redesign. They expected to sell 30K/year but have been selling more like 80K. That's not too shabby and if those buyers are happy then you have another generation of people who are going to look at Honda first. Imagine if the Aveo hatchback was that good.
 
Straight to the point. One will simply never understand what's so great about the Fit until he/she try it for his/herself. Always, always take note of the amazing Ultraseat configurations.
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Re: Wonder [m4d_cow] by steve_ HOST
Dec 22, 2008 (11:27 am)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Dec 22, 2008 10:46 am)

I tried out a Fit overnight last month. The dealer had about $1800 in ADM on it too. I laughed and it was never mentioned again when I asked them for a number. Nice seats but my wife didn't fall in love with it.
 
Haven't looked at an Aveo but a Vibe is on the list. But we've quit looking for a while.
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Re: Toyota forecast loss for 2008 fiscal year. [62vetteefp] by dino001
Dec 22, 2008 (11:31 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 22, 2008 7:20 am)

That must be consolation. Hey, I'm going out of business tomorrow after tens of years of long and painful agony, but hey they other guy who did so well for so long has a first bad quarter. Yeah - my problems have nothing to do with my product being an overpriced, undercooked crap - it's all "circumstances".
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Re: 62vette [gagrice] by jamc
Dec 22, 2008 (12:28 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 21, 2008 3:44 pm)

Our Ranger has the gas engine 2.3L no V6 here. They sell the diesel from belize all the way to argentina, but not here
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Re: 2010 Equinox [m4d_cow] by 62vetteefp
Dec 22, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Dec 22, 2008 10:25 am)

I could be wrong on the heavily revised. Got the info from a website.
 
But in comparing photos of the 2008 Captiva and 2010 Equinox it does look like they share platforms which must mean the Captiva is theta II which would be different than out old Theta Vue?
 
Looks like the 2010 Equinox doors are shared with the 2008 Captiva skins. Everything else exterior and interior wise are different. So it is pretty heavily revised coming to our country.
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Re: 2010 Equinox [62vetteefp] by m4d_cow
Dec 23, 2008 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 22, 2008 1:11 pm)

I've been looking over the Captiva's pics and after a second thought I somewhat agree with you. If I recall correctly the rearside windows on the 2010 have a different shape than the old one. The rear hatch however, I still think it looks exactly the same as the current Captiva's. Also you may not notice but the roof design is also exactly the same.
 
But in comparing photos of the 2008 Captiva and 2010 Equinox it does look like they share platforms which must mean the Captiva is theta II which would be different than out old Theta Vue?
 
If C/D HK is correct, than I'm not surprised. With the Theta2 itself being a modified Theta1 it's nothing weird if both new and old model have the same or similar proportions.
 
Captiva itself came from Theta1 architecture, as far as I know. The current Vue is a rebadged Opel Antara, which oddly also sold as Vauxhall Antara. The Antara-Vue is a reskinned Captiva. Captiva by itself is a mildly reskinned Daewoo Winstorm. Confusing huh?
 
I believe the re-use of many parts from the outgoing model, such as doors, roof and rear hatch, plus the use of a revised Theta1 (ok, its Theta2 by name) are the reasons the upcoming 2010 Equinox looks so similar to the current Captiva. Hell put it next to the current Vue and you'll see some similarities as well.
 
I've been saying many times that GM should dump the current Equinox and bring the Captiva here. It will finally be done, quite late imo but at least better than nothing.
 
PS: is it just me or the instrument panel is lifted directly from the upcoming Camaro, and the steering wheel from the Volt?
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Re: Wonder [tlong] by imidazol97
Dec 23, 2008 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 21, 2008 11:31 pm)

>but Honda sells the Fit and it has received excellent reviews, especially the new redesign.
 
I think that's a broad brush to say that it has only excellent reviews. I was watching Motorweek review their long term test unit. Amazingly they were throwing in a lot of negatives about it even though it's a foreign brand which they usually love. Their usual method is like consumer reports and they give a positive view about a car they like and in the second half of the compound sentence they include the negative. Most people hear the first part and miss the second part.
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Re: Wonder [imidazol97] by steve_ HOST
Dec 23, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 23, 2008 9:23 am)

The dash is too deep, you can't see where the front end ends, and the automatic is gutless (my experience from test driving a couple). And it's overpriced by about $2,000.
 
Back to GM now?
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Re: Wonder [steve_] by imidazol97
Dec 23, 2008 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 23, 2008 11:11 am)

Thanks. That a refreshing evaluation.
 
To make many happy or sad, another one bites the dust.
 
Last day at Moraine Assembly for GM
 
19000 (Delphi included) souls in 1999 to 572 souls employed today by GM in unison with Izusu.
 
  
And there are hundreds in supplier jobs

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