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#24369 of 32000 Re: Chevys at Kentlands Parade [andre1969] by ateixeira

May 07, 2012 (8:57 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (May 07, 2012 8:53 am)
Sorry, no experience with them.
 
They seemed friendly, no pressure at all. Had brochures and stuff but I didn't take any (I look online).

#24370 of 32000 Re: 2014 Impala [lemko] by andre1969

May 07, 2012 (11:04 am)

Replying to: lemko (May 07, 2012 6:39 am)
Good God, if Chevrolet could make something as nice as that '70, I wouldn't even need to look at a Cadillac or Buick!
 
In a way, I think that was GM's undoing. Going back to 1965, the big Chevies had sort of a youthful, sporty look to them, but not really what I'd call upscale pretentions. Even the Caprice, which came out that year in rapid response to Ford's LTD, still had sort of a youthful look about it. It was a nice car, but just looking at it, it was obvious that a Buick, Old, or Pontiac was a nicer car.
 
By 1970, the full-sized Chevies had really gone for a luxurious, upscale look. And by that time, it wasn't really so obvious anymore that a Buick, Olds, or Pontiac was supposed to be a step up.
 
GM was still able to make the whole 5-brand hierarchy work, but a few years later, it would start to falter as Pontiac took a hit in full-sized cars, from which it would never fully recover. And then as all the cars got downsized and more and more alike, the middle-priced market in general really got squeezed and thinned out.

#24371 of 32000 Malibu Eco Review by ateixeira

May 07, 2012 (11:59 am)

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/07/2013-chevrolet-malibu-eco-review/
 
Kinda luke warm. Mentions many of the concerns that uplanderguy did about the smallish back seat. They say just get a Cruze Eco or wait for the non e-Assist.

#24372 of 32000 Re: Malibu Eco Review [ateixeira] by uplanderguy

May 07, 2012 (12:26 pm)

Replying to: ateixeira (May 07, 2012 11:59 am)
That looks EXACTLY like the one '13 Malibu my dealer has in stock.
 
I still like the previous car in profile better...as I've said before, the rear door looks long on the previous car and although I'm only 5'8", the car seems to me to have a lot of legroom in the back. The new one does not IMHO, although I've been told the dimensions aren't that different, which surprises me.
 
I do like the new car's taillights.
 
I don't go for the "TV screen" (as my teens call it) in the instrument panel. I like 'simple'. That said, I like the right half of the panel, and the door panels, better than in our '11 1LT.
 
I believe this car will be able to be bought for less than the competition, regardless of the sticker.
 
The writer's comment about the Sonata leaves out one salient point IMHO--I don't care if it stickers cheaper, I don't like the adolescent-boy-racer look of the Sonata!

#24373 of 32000 ATS Pricing by circlew

May 07, 2012 (12:34 pm)


Cadillac's ATS is scheduled to hit dealer showrooms this summer, and General Motors has finally divulged pricing. Its smallest luxury sedan will start at $33,990 including destination(*), but that price will only snag you the entry-level model, powered by a 200-horsepower 2.5-liter four-cylinder paired with a six-speed automatic. Stepping up to the turbocharged, 270-hp 2.0-liter will push the price up to $35,795, and bring all-wheel-drive and manual transmission options into play. The top-of-the-line ATS carries a $42,090 price tag and is powered by a version of the 3.6-liter V6 from the Cadillac CTS, rated at 320-hp and mated to an automatic tranny, with all-wheel-drive available.
 
While these prices are hard to evaluate without a full breakdown of standard equipment – which Cadillac promises in due time – we can compare them to two benchmarks, the all-new 2012 BMW 3 Series and the slightly larger CTS. While Caddy does undercut the base 3 Series price of $35,795, that entry-level ATS is down some 40 horsepower. The mid-priced ATS, the one with the turbo 2.0-liter, however, trumps the 328i's 240-hp engine by almost that much. With equivalent starting sticker prices, it only makes the inevitable head-to-head battle all that more interesting.
 
The CTS, however, starts at $36,810, which makes the top-level ATS seem spendy at first glance. Granted, the CTS is nearing the end of its life cycle, but clearly those looking for a more luxury-oriented, V6-powered sedan are going to have to closely study the standard equipment sheet to determine what justifies the $5,000-plus price premium for the smaller car.
 
Priced high, afaic. Nothing new for GM.
 
Regards,
OW

#24374 of 32000 Re: ATS Pricing [circlew] by uplanderguy

May 07, 2012 (12:37 pm)

Replying to: circlew (May 07, 2012 12:34 pm)
Priced high, afaic. Nothing new for GM.
 
But as we know, in reality, they'll be discounted more than those others.
 
Of course, that's bad for consumers (LOL).

#24375 of 32000 Legacy Loss against Pofits by circlew

May 07, 2012 (12:41 pm)

GM really is not making much profit yet. So, all the fanfare on how good they are performing cloaks the real story. Might as well sell the shares at a loss, Mr. President.
 
According to The Detroit News, General Motors continues to avoid paying its federal income taxes since the company exited bankruptcy. In 2008, the Treasury Department ruled that the automaker could use $18 billion in losses from "old" GM to offset any profits. That means from a tax perspective, GM still hasn't earned enough money to overcome its losses. The automaker has raked in more than $13 billion since 2009.
 
Legal loophole allows GM to avoid paying federal taxes... still
 
Go Kia!
 
Regards,
OW

#24376 of 32000 Re: ATS Pricing [uplanderguy] by circlew

May 07, 2012 (12:43 pm)

Replying to: uplanderguy (May 07, 2012 12:37 pm)
But as we know, in reality, they'll be discounted more than those others.
 
Of course, that's why GM's are worth less than their competition...because they are.
 
It's a fool's game!
 
Regards,
OW

#24377 of 32000 Re: ATS Pricing [circlew] by uplanderguy

May 07, 2012 (12:50 pm)

Replying to: circlew (May 07, 2012 12:43 pm)
Of course, that's why GM's are worth less than their competition...because they are.
 
Most folks learn early-on that opinions are just that and are usually expressed as such, not as fact.

#24378 of 32000 Re: 2014 Impala [andre1969] by uplanderguy

May 07, 2012 (12:56 pm)

Replying to: andre1969 (May 07, 2012 11:04 am)
Andre, as usual, I agree with your assessment.
 
I think one exception is the full-size Pontiac line from, oh, '64-'68 I think. Sporty, fastback roofs even on the luxury models, but Buick/Olds level interior quality (especially on the Brougham) and instrument panels that I think are better than the most expensive Buicks or Oldsmobiles. I don't think I'd even have considered moving to Olds or Buick if I was a full-size Pontiac owner in those years. IMHO, Pontiac really had it all together in those years.

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