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Re: [kernick] by 62vetteefp
Dec 01, 2008 (6:01 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 01, 2008 5:26 pm)

"So this is like a drug company hiring a former and possible future consultant to verify their new drug is safe and effective. It's BIASED. You need to go outside the cozy circle of the auto world, to get as far from the $ influence. "
 
We should listen to someone outside the auto world to get data on the auto world? These guys know the automotive world inside and out. Yes, perhaps they could be biased but they know their stuff. But hopefully we will never have to figure out if they were incorrect.
 
"His research has been funded by, among others, General Motors, Ford, DaimlerChrysler, Delphi , Visteon, Dana, ArvinMeritor, Fiat, Honda, Lamborghini, Magneti Marelli, Oshkosh Truck, Cummins, IBM, Motorola, Allied Signal, the National Science Foundation, NASA, the U.S. Department of Energy, the U.S. Army TACOM, the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, and DARPA."
 
They also have done this before and I do not recall anyone disputing their findings.
 
These studies include: The Center for Automotive Research. Contribution of the Motor Vehicle Supplier Sector
to the Economies of the United States and its 50 States. Prepared for the Motor & Equipment Manufacturers
Association, Ann Arbor, January, 2007. The Center for Automotive Research. Contribution of Toyota to the
Economies of Fourteen States and the United States in 2003. Prepared for Toyota Motor North America, Inc.,
Ann Arbor, June, 2005. Institute of Labor and Industrial Relations, University of Michigan and the Center for
Automotive Research. Contribution of the U.S. Motor Vehicle Industry to the Economies of the United States,
California, New York, and New Jersey in 2003. Prepared for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Inc., Ann
Arbor, May, 2004. Institute of Labor and Industrial Relations and the Office for the Study of Automotive
Transportation, University of Michigan and the Center for Automotive Research. Contribution of the Automotive
Industry to the U.S. Economy in 1998: The Nation and Its Fifty States. A Study Prepared for the Alliance of
Automobile Manufacturers, Inc. and the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers, Inc. Ann Arbor,
Winter 2001. The Office for the Study of Automotive Transportation, Transportation Research Institute, and the
Institute of Labor and Industrial Relations, University of Michigan. The Contribution of the International Auto
Sector to the U.S. Economy. A study prepared for the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers, Inc.,
Ann Arbor, March, 1998. McAlinden, Sean P., et. al., Economic Contribution of the Automotive Industry to the
U.S. Economy – An Update – A Study Prepared for the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Center for
Automotive Research. Ann Arbor, Fall 2003. Office for the Study of Automotive Transportation, Competitive
Survival: Private Initiatives, Public Policy and the North American Automotive Industry – Prepared for the
U.S.-Canada Automotive Select Panel. University of Michigan Transportation Research Institute, Ann Arbor, June,
1992. The research staff of the Center for Automotive Research performed a number of these studies when located
at the University of Michigan’s Office for the Study of Automotive Transportation.
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Re: I agree - YOU"RE FIRED! [circlew] by 62vetteefp
Dec 01, 2008 (6:11 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 01, 2008 5:38 pm)

"On the eve of Detroit’s day of reckoning with the United States government, House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, a South Carolina Democrat, said that the future of the auto industry was up to him, the CEOs of Chrysler LLC, Ford Motor Company and General Motors would be fired. "
 
Smart guy. Nardelli has been there less than one year and Mullaly two years. Yep, they come in with a losing team and things get worse due to issues beyond their control. Yep fire them and bring someone else in.
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Re: I agree - YOU"RE FIRED! [62vetteefp] by circlew
Dec 01, 2008 (6:26 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 01, 2008 6:11 pm)

That's right. The buck stops at the C.E.O. Tough Cookies!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Recovery!!! hopefully [62vetteefp] by tlong
Dec 01, 2008 (9:04 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 01, 2008 3:09 pm)

Not to deflate the balloon, but economists are right up there with astrologists. A year ago we were going to have a downturn in the first half of 2008, and we were going to be recovering by now! So while I hope an auto sales recovery in 2010 occurs, don't count on it.
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Re: I agree - YOU"RE FIRED! [62vetteefp] by tlong
Dec 01, 2008 (9:12 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Dec 01, 2008 6:11 pm)

Nardelli has been there less than one year and Mullaly two years. Yep, they come in with a losing team and things get worse due to issues beyond their control. Yep fire them and bring someone else in.
 
You make a good point. That's why IMHO Wagoner is the only one who should be fired. He's clearly been in charge long enough and is not the right person to turn this around.
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Re: Recovery!!! hopefully [tlong] by 62vetteefp
Dec 02, 2008 (3:59 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 01, 2008 9:04 pm)

"Not to deflate the balloon, but economists are right up there with astrologists."
 
Gotta agree. But CAR is not just made up of economists. They are a group of professors and engineers steeped in the car business and how it works. They know more about the auto business than anyone outside the companies themselves.
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Re: I agree - YOU"RE FIRED! [tlong] by 62vetteefp
Dec 02, 2008 (4:04 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Dec 01, 2008 9:12 pm)

" That's why IMHO Wagoner is the only one who should be fired. He's clearly been in charge long enough and is not the right person to turn this around. "
 
Now that makes sense. While I think that Wagoner did about all he could he is the only one that should be asked to leave. Most of those Congress who made comments are idiots on what is going on and grandstanding and have no idea what they are talking about. Truly disgusting point in our countries history. But if they are truly representing the thoughts of their constituents then so be it.
 
Hearings been delayed til Thursday.
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Re: Recovery!!! hopefully [kernick] by imidazol97
Dec 02, 2008 (4:21 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 01, 2008 5:38 pm)

>the best minds on Wall Street or in Washington
 
"Best minds in Washington." That's a great oxymoron. And it's going to get worse Jan 20.
 
>Is this guy a PhD in economics?
 
Actually all the PhDs don't seem to have served well in economics, have they.
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Real Hearings. by imidazol97
Dec 02, 2008 (4:23 am)
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>Most of those Congress who made comments are idiots on what is going on and grandstanding and have no idea what they are talking about.
 
That's the truth. The "hearings" (political speeches) should have been led by facilitators such as the fellow discussed in the few previous posts with knowledge of the auto industry instead of politicians. I said that in previous posts. We'd be a lot further along in re what we could do and should do to save our auto industry from further damage from the imports.
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Re: Real Hearings. [imidazol97] by 62vetteefp
Dec 02, 2008 (4:48 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 02, 2008 4:23 am)

I am hoping that whoever Obama picks as his auto czar has some actual time in the auto industry. Not some green person or just some other guy/gal with connections to him.
 
I will say I am impressed with the diversity of the folks he has been picking. Not that I agree with all of them but they actually are not just his close friends. I am so hoping he can do a good job and does like every politician, not keep his promises. Except in this case I hope he does the right thing for our country (not just auto related).

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