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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 29, 2008 6:31 pm) |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Nov 30, 2008 3:01 am) You haven't been to a boat ramp lately. Boaters with families most often have a Suburban/Denali/Escalade or Expedition. When gas shot up to 4.50, I traded my Suburban in on an Expedition. Saved $20k on a 1 year old loaded Expedition. That will buy a lot of gas for the Expe and our boat. If 4.50 gas is the difference between being able to afford an SUV or not, then you couldn't afford it to begin with. Yes, a truck is better to tow with, but we often will have 6-7 people in the Expedition while towing the boat to the lake. Can't do that with a p/u and Lambda type SUV and the Lambda's can't tow 4500 pounds plus 6-7 people and gear safely. The Expedition/Suburban SUVs can. Plus it tows our 26' travel trailer that weighs 6,000lbs. Still a lot of RVs on the road regardless of what you read in the paper. Plus millions of boat still being used. The lakes we visited this summer were always busy. I agree the Suburban is a niche type vehicle, it's still a big enough niche to be profitable. GM/Ford just can't bank on those sales to bail them out.
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 30, 2008 8:20 am) You got that right. Wednesday evening it was a steady stream of motor homes with dune buggy trailers and toy haulers going out Interstate 8 to the desert, to play for the long weekend. Last I read something like 50,000 dune buggies are out on any given weekend. The cheap gas prices came just at the right time for desert types. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Nov 30, 2008 3:01 am) GM trucks should be heavy duty vehicles, the Suburban, the 1500/2500, and the cargo van of course. Three models. Because, that's all they really need and all they really sell in large numbers to individuals. If you need a truck for work, you need a big thing most likely. Crap like the Canyon, which they literally can't sell and I've seen 2007 models STILL on the lot in Los Angeles, no less(not middle of nowhere, Montana) - it just needs to go and the factory be used for something else. And yuppie pseudo SUVs and crossovers and so on, ignore entirely. Let other companies deal with it, because nobody is buying GM crosssovers or SUVs. Note - I don't consider the Suburban a "SUV" - it's a full size 9 passenger truck. SUVs are those little things like the RAV-4 and the crud Volvo is making(which also isn't selling, amazingly. Who would have guessed?) Oh - and bring back the manual in the 1500. Since most people who buy commercial vehicles pre-order them, it's a simple option to add back on the order sheet.(3-5% of your sales is STILL 3-5% and every bit helps right now) Lastly, if something new comes out, don't wait until the next year/cycle to get it out to market. WV is soon to get their Rabbit TDI over here and they aren't waiting 6 extra months. There is already a huge waiting list. 6 more months of sales is just that much more money in their pockets at a time when everyone needs it.
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Replying to: plekto (Nov 30, 2008 11:17 am) I thought the quadruplets Acadia, Enclave...etc. were selling pretty well.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Nov 29, 2008 9:35 am) |
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 30, 2008 11:57 am)
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err, how many of those sales are CUVs? and how many SUVs? I still think the Suburban will tank soon, keep no more than swb Tahoe if they must. Sure gas is cheaper now, but for how long??????
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 30, 2008 5:30 pm)
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Replying to: joshuag (Nov 30, 2008 10:15 pm) That's not a huge number, if you consider that the Explorer alone used to sell 40,000 or more a month. Take that 40,000 and divide it by 19 SUV/CUV models and you get an average of 2,100 units per model. And that's really poor.
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