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#23587 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [berri] by imidazol97

Apr 09, 2012 (6:11 pm)

Replying to: berri (Apr 09, 2012 4:55 pm)
>You guys are missing the point
 
No. I saw the point on the data chart--the one that I inspected in the showroom. The salesman thought I was nuts because I was going over the thing carefully.
 
I had looked at one on the lot before I went inside, but it was a windy day and I didn't like the wind or I would have looked at more data points outdoors.
 
I didn't drive one. I would wait until the new engine came out next model year. Might even be nice for a mild hybrid if that's coming. Or a diesel?
 
I don't know anything about how GM could have done this or could have done that. It's JANG.
 
Of course, I don't know if the WSJ guy bumped a fender into something or if one of the other "testers" who had that same vehicle before him did something to it. Or maybe it fell off the skillet on the assembly line and was slightly moved and they assembled to correct gap. Notice, we never saw a picture of the offending connection point that disturbed him so much.
 
Shakespeare: Much Ado About Nothing.

#23588 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [berri] by xrunner2

Apr 09, 2012 (6:11 pm)

Replying to: berri (Apr 09, 2012 12:14 pm)
when Mulally first came to Ford and CR wasn't complimentary about some of the products, the initial response he heard from his managers was things like "it isn't that bad", "they are prejudiced", etc. You know what he did? He brought a group of them out to CR headquarters and told them to basically shut up, listen and fix because these are things that customers may think as well. I think most people will admit that Ford got ahead of GM in quality and customer perception.
 
Ford was fortunate to have a "true"and real leader brought in by a Ford family member. Mullaly started to turn Ford around well before the crisis of GM and Chrysler. GM and Chyrsler needed goverrnment bailouts to pull them out. Ford did not. And, the government in DC per Obama did a number of things illegal to scre* the bondholders in favor of the unions that gave substantial sums to support Obama campaign. An illegal manipulation by the Obama regime.

#23589 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [busiris] by berri

Apr 09, 2012 (6:18 pm)

Replying to: busiris (Apr 09, 2012 5:06 pm)
The more I think about this, the more I get concerned. I supported the bailout and as taxpayers we all indirectly own a piece of GM, so we should want it to succeed. All these little things that have been happening and may not individually matter to some are really a sign of complacency. GM should not be complacent these days. Complacency is a sign of weak leadership. I don't expect Ackerson thought it was just a little thing that his management sent out a less than stellar example of a Buick to the WSJ and a known critical reviewer read by an audience that represents the target market Buick is looking to gain. You can't be a Lexus or BMW competitor if you can't take the time to put a fender on correctly. In fact, that makes it hard to compete with Toyota, Honda and Nissan as well. The Tsunami impact is wearing off and Japan and Korea are both gaining market faster than GM and Ford again. Another disturbing piece of marketing data is now arriving. It seems that young buyers who may initially buy based on price and styling are reverting to their parents preferences as they get older and switching over to Japanese and German makes as they move up. These small screw ups may be little stuff to you, but to a lot of people in the market it is only serving to reinforce past perceptions about Detroit products. D3 needs to break those perceptions consistently if they are going to return to market dominance. They need to build on the gains they have made, not consolidate at where they are now. They need to over deliver. Gasoline will likely see saw to higher and higher averages over the decade due to more expensive drilling techniques and higher global demand, so big truck profits are going to help D3 less and less as time goes on. Obama may or may not be president next year, and even if re-elected his party will likely hold less of Congress. The bailouts and union preferential treatment are coming to an end and Detroit needs to be ready. The UAW needs to start giving its membership a dose of reality also. I want the government to gets its investment back and complaceny isn't going to achieve that goal. That means I want to start seeing GM deliver the best products at the best prices routinely. We are now really owners and should expect no less from GM than we would our own business.

#23590 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [berri] by tlong

Apr 09, 2012 (10:10 pm)

Replying to: berri (Apr 09, 2012 12:14 pm)
There is absolutely no reason why GM can't take that crown back, but management has to show they are serious. When that happens, you won't find any cars going out to reviewers with even minor defects on them, trust me.
 
Completely agree. It's the constant excuses that fanboys keep churning out that got GM where it was a few years ago. The fanboys may keep on coming, but some of those "small" things lose a bunch of sales. It doesn't matter if some people thing the press is biased (CR, C&D, now the WSJ. Gee, *everybody* is biased ) Perhaps there is just something to what is being said. Perception *is* important.
 
GM should coin a new advertising slogan - instead of "Heartbeat of America" or "standard of the world", how about "No Excuses".

#23591 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [tlong] by uplanderguy

Apr 10, 2012 (2:01 am)

Replying to: tlong (Apr 09, 2012 10:10 pm)
Expect prices to rise with all this hubbub, then.

#23592 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [uplanderguy] by circlew

Apr 10, 2012 (3:42 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Apr 10, 2012 2:01 am)
Expect prices to rise with all this hubbub, then.
 
Nah, the price will easily be mitigated by the"Incentive King". Down from last year but still "King".
 
Incentive Spending
 
Manufacturer

 
March 2012 Incentives

 
% Change vs. February 2012

 
% Change vs. March 2011

 
Total Spending
 
Chrysler

 
$3,137

 
-1.8%

 
5.6%

 
$499,729,046
 
Ford

 
$2,726

 
-3.8%

 
-2.8%

 
$586,669,519
 
GM

 
$3,144

 
0.9%

 
-5.1%

 
$785,765,563
 
Honda

 
$2,122

 
-0.2%

 
-8.1%

 
$308,945,849
 
Hyundai/Kia

 
$882

 
4.8%

 
-30.6%

 
$111,379,756
 
Nissan

 
$3,115

 
-3.7%

 
28.0%

 
$402,433,212
 
Toyota

 
$1,704

 
5.2%

 
-13.5%

 
$332,828,376
 
Volkswagen

 
$2,021

 
-2.7%

 
4.5%

 
$99,486,066
 
Industry

 
$2,440

 
-1.5%

 
-1.7%

 
$3,456,880,192
 
Regards,
OW

#23593 of 32000 Financial Trouble? by circlew

Apr 10, 2012 (4:12 am)

One of the largest financial institutions in the U.S., Ally Financial, was paid a visit this week by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
 
While there, the FBI special agents utilized a search warrant to find and seize a single iMac computer, according to The Detroit News, which it took while under supervision by an Ally Financial attorney.
 
The reasoning behind the search warrant is not currently public, sealed by the warrant itself. Neither the FBI nor Ally Financial are offering details as to why the computer was taken, but it is known that Assistant U.S. Attorney Terrence Berg, known for his specialization in computer crime, as well as computer security expert Special Agent Ted Jungkuntz are handling the investigation.
 
So why report about a financial institution on an automotive news-related site, you ask? Ally Financial is responsible for handling most of the loans on new vehicles for both General Motors and Chrysler, was a recipient of $17.2 billion in federal bailout money, and is to this day 74 percent-owned by the U.S. Treasury.

 
Regards,
OW

#23594 of 32000 Re: Financial Trouble? [circlew] by uplanderguy

Apr 10, 2012 (4:34 am)

Replying to: circlew (Apr 10, 2012 4:12 am)
No excuses, as long as it applies to all. It was on this very board where I saw repeated excuses allowing Toyota off the hook because a supplier screwed up the gas pedals. Hey, if GM has a recall, I don't care if it's because of a supplier...it's a GM product. Seriously.
 
Also heard excuse after excuse about the p***-poor Camry rental with 15K miles I had last year.

#23595 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [uplanderguy] by busiris

Apr 10, 2012 (6:24 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Apr 10, 2012 2:01 am)
That comment has to rank in the top 10 most inane comments made on any of Edmund's forums!
 
"Oh... You want your new 2012 average-priced car to not have any manufacturing flaws... Sorry, that'll be a couple of grand extra!"...
 
It's comments like yours that actually re-enforce those that continually berate GM and the other domestics.
 
Like the old joke about the "wood butcher" turned carpenter... "Does it fit? ... Nope... Does it touch?... Yep!... Then, Nail it!!!"
 
There's nothing quite like attempting to defend the indefensible!

#23596 of 32000 Re: Buick Verano [uplanderguy] by busiris

Apr 10, 2012 (6:31 am)

Replying to: uplanderguy (Apr 09, 2012 6:09 pm)
Well, your "just saying'" is flawed... Factory defect, followed by a recall.
 
http://www.thestar.com/wheels/article/974107--video-chevy-cruze-vehicles-recalle- d-after-steering-wheel-falls-off
 
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/daily-news/110412-2011-Chevrole- t-Cruze-Recalled-for-Detached-Steering-Wheel/

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