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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 4:14 pm) Very good point. The sales are retail only so if the sedans are 1/2 fleet then that really changes my calcs but in the end the average buyer for Buick retail is still 55. Fleet sales of Buick is way down but surely who knows with what has been happening lately. Perhaps the rentals are not even buying now due to lack of credit? |
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 29, 2008 11:41 am) Suburban incompetent? What are you talking about? One of the best vehicles on the market if you need a real hauler. Monte Carlo has been gone a couple years now. SRX was a great vehicle but just never had a real segment with volume. C&D 10 best vehicle. It is gone though with a more traditional SUV/CUV type vehicle replacing it. Hummer is up for sale and will be gone soon. "Traverse's 14 mpg will scare buyers off faster than Osama in downtown NY," Traverse will sell like mad as do the rest of the Lambdas. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 29, 2008 6:31 pm) On the plus side, I thought the Equinox was really roomy, given its external dimensions. And the interior, while nothing to rave about, at least wasn't embarrassing. One of my friends was in the market for a smallish SUV a few years back, and I rode with him when he test drove an Equinox. It had the 3.4, but for as crude and underpowered as it's supposed to be, it seemed okay when he gunned it to get on the highway. I drove an Equinox at a GM test drive event when they first came out. It was on a closed course where you could get a bit spirited with it. It did seem sort of wallowy in the turns, like something I could flip over if I really put my mind to it. Oddly, I put the Suburban and Tahoe through the same course, and they felt much more nimble. I wonder if that was just the RWD versus FWD thing going on? Plus, I'm sort of used to land yachts, so maybe I just felt more at home in one of those? If Pontiac gets the axe, I hope Buick or someone else does pick up the G8. It's a bit out of my price range, and a little thirstier than I'd want if I bought a brand-new car, but for its size and power it's pretty impressive. And reasonably priced.
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 6:59 pm) I rented an Equinox for two weeks in April. They did not have a Trail Blazer for me when I arrived. They did discount it $91 for the two weeks so I survived. It is pure JUNK. Poor handling, poor braking, noisy and maybe 1-2 MPG better than the much nicer Trail Blazer. I wanted to rent an Escalade. They are always out when I want one. The Equinox would be tough with four people and luggage. |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 29, 2008 6:31 pm) I agree the SRX is a great vehicle. It never really sold well because it looks more of a station wagon than an SUV. Now the sad part is this: GM seems to be doing to Cadillac what Ford did to Lincoln. Cadillac is sharing more platforms with Chevy. The 2010 SRX will be based on the Equinox/Vue/Terrain. Why? Why not the CTS platform? Is it to save cost in the typical GM way? What's worse, Motor Trend is reporting that next Escalade will be the FIFTH Lambda.
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They are seriously going to sell a fifth Lambda? And worse yet, call it a Cadillac? I will second the opinion that Equinox was truly an awful vehicle, especially by comparison with its peers, even when it was new. There is a reason Escape has sold like crazy and the Equinox/Torrent has been a rental special since its inception. Truly one of GM's worst efforts among the vehicles still available today. Of course it came out, what, 4 or 5 years ago? So perhaps that was the last of the OLD GM. If they present this plan for the bailout and it goes ahead, I think GM will benefit tremendously. And Chevy could pick up the couple of Pontiacs that people might actually miss, like the Solstice and Vibe, which both should have been Chevys right from the beginning. The next thing on the horizon should be importing the Buicks from China to bring costs down. |
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| V6 ext cab '99 model. The seller got an Equinox that I rode in. He was getting upper 20's for mileage. I got 25.5 mpg from the 4.3 powered ext cab truck with automatic on trip home from buying it (1200 miles). Trailblazers might squeeze out 24 hwy with 2WD with 4.0 L6. I always got 23mpg hwy from my 4.3 V6 Chev Astros, so I figure with 20 year newer engine tech and a smaller engine and smaller vehicle, the trailblazer could muster 1 more mpg. | |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 29, 2008 6:31 pm) The Suburban is an ancient replacement that is no longer needed, unless you need to carry seven passengers AND a ton of cargo AND tow a boat or something like that. That's a very niche market that not many will put up with after $5 per gallon gas (the few people I knew with Suburbans took them off the road during the spike...they couldn't afford to drive them). Name one thing the Suburban can do better than a crew-cab truck or a 7 passenger Lambda...those that don't need towing will take the Lambda, and those that do need it will go grab an F-series from Ford. The Suburban is a concept who's time has passed I'm thinking. And think what dropping it would do for GM's CAFE too. Those things are what, 10 MPG highway? May as well sell them as Hummers... |
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