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Re: Pontiac, Saab, Saturn [cooterbfd] by bumpy
Nov 29, 2008 (4:09 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 29, 2008 1:23 pm)

Good thing is, if it can fit the V-8, then it can fit the 4.5 Duramax.
 
The engine might fit, but GM doesn't have an FWD tranny that can handle the torque.
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Re: Pontiac, Saab, Saturn [bumpy] by cooterbfd
Nov 29, 2008 (4:10 pm)
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Replying to: bumpy (Nov 29, 2008 3:59 pm)

No, that means they bought them.
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Re: Pontiac, Saab, Saturn [cooterbfd] by andre1969
Nov 29, 2008 (4:14 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 29, 2008 4:10 pm)

Well, when Hertz, Avis, Rent-A-Wreck, etc buys a Buick, how do they get factored into the average buyer age?
 
Sorry, couldn't resist. And from what I've heard, Buick has actually been trying to get out of the habit of flooding the rental fleets.
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Re: Pontiac, Saab, Saturn [andre1969] by 62vetteefp
Nov 29, 2008 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 4:14 pm)

"Well, when Hertz, Avis, Rent-A-Wreck, etc buys a Buick, how do they get factored into the average buyer age? "
 
Very good point. The sales are retail only so if the sedans are 1/2 fleet then that really changes my calcs but in the end the average buyer for Buick retail is still 55. Fleet sales of Buick is way down but surely who knows with what has been happening lately. Perhaps the rentals are not even buying now due to lack of credit?
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Re: [m4d_cow] by 62vetteefp
Nov 29, 2008 (6:31 pm)
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Replying to: m4d_cow (Nov 29, 2008 11:41 am)

"Kill all incompetent models. That means trash cars like Monte Carlo, Suburban and Equinox goes, as well as SRX, STS and XLR. Kill Hummer H3, Hummer fashionists expect Hummers to be big, tough and bad, the H3 doesnt deliver such image. "
 
Suburban incompetent? What are you talking about? One of the best vehicles on the market if you need a real hauler.
 
Monte Carlo has been gone a couple years now.
 
SRX was a great vehicle but just never had a real segment with volume. C&D 10 best vehicle. It is gone though with a more traditional SUV/CUV type vehicle replacing it.
 
Hummer is up for sale and will be gone soon.
 
"Traverse's 14 mpg will scare buyers off faster than Osama in downtown NY,"
Traverse will sell like mad as do the rest of the Lambdas.
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Re: What Buick needs to do... [carnaught] by iwant12
Nov 29, 2008 (6:46 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Nov 29, 2008 2:50 pm)

Sadly, carnaught, you are right.
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Re: What Buick needs to do... [carnaught] by 62vetteefp
Nov 29, 2008 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: carnaught (Nov 29, 2008 2:50 pm)

If they kill Pontiac look for the G8 to be renamed GN.
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Re: [62vetteefp] by andre1969
Nov 29, 2008 (6:59 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 29, 2008 6:31 pm)

Is the Equinox really that bad? I actually kinda like them, although I always thought the 3.4 was kind of a weak point? Couldn't you get them with the 3.5 for awhile? I just checked Edmund's listings, and now it looks like you can only get the 3.4 or the 3.6.
 
On the plus side, I thought the Equinox was really roomy, given its external dimensions. And the interior, while nothing to rave about, at least wasn't embarrassing. One of my friends was in the market for a smallish SUV a few years back, and I rode with him when he test drove an Equinox. It had the 3.4, but for as crude and underpowered as it's supposed to be, it seemed okay when he gunned it to get on the highway.
 
I drove an Equinox at a GM test drive event when they first came out. It was on a closed course where you could get a bit spirited with it. It did seem sort of wallowy in the turns, like something I could flip over if I really put my mind to it. Oddly, I put the Suburban and Tahoe through the same course, and they felt much more nimble. I wonder if that was just the RWD versus FWD thing going on? Plus, I'm sort of used to land yachts, so maybe I just felt more at home in one of those?
 
If Pontiac gets the axe, I hope Buick or someone else does pick up the G8. It's a bit out of my price range, and a little thirstier than I'd want if I bought a brand-new car, but for its size and power it's pretty impressive. And reasonably priced.
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Re: [andre1969] by gagrice
Nov 29, 2008 (7:36 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Nov 29, 2008 6:59 pm)

I drove an Equinox at a GM test drive event when they first came out.
 
I rented an Equinox for two weeks in April. They did not have a Trail Blazer for me when I arrived. They did discount it $91 for the two weeks so I survived. It is pure JUNK. Poor handling, poor braking, noisy and maybe 1-2 MPG better than the much nicer Trail Blazer. I wanted to rent an Escalade. They are always out when I want one. The Equinox would be tough with four people and luggage.
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Re: [62vetteefp] by torque_r
Nov 29, 2008 (8:29 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 29, 2008 6:31 pm)

" SRX was a great vehicle but just never had a real segment with volume. C&D 10 best vehicle. It is gone though with a more traditional SUV/CUV type vehicle replacing it. "
 
I agree the SRX is a great vehicle. It never really sold well because it looks more of a station wagon than an SUV.
 
Now the sad part is this: GM seems to be doing to Cadillac what Ford did to Lincoln. Cadillac is sharing more platforms with Chevy. The 2010 SRX will be based on the Equinox/Vue/Terrain. Why? Why not the CTS platform? Is it to save cost in the typical GM way?
 
What's worse, Motor Trend is reporting that next Escalade will be the FIFTH Lambda.

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