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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 11, 2008 3:34 pm) THE HOUSE OF PAIN!!! BOOOOOYAAAA! |
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 12, 2008 7:29 am) Povich, Springer low class. I mainly watch tv for intellectuals such as Mathews and Olberman on MSNBC or Katie Curic News. Guess it was our local newcasts that used to have the no credit/bad credit commercials. Question for GM is their advertising budget. They have had some good Cadillac commercials in years past just before Christmas. Will these be back? They have been showing a good CTS commercial with a woman driving it. Wonder if women professionals are buying more CTS than Lexi and pickup up share there.
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 11, 2008 9:01 pm) Except that workers at the North American plants owned by Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Hyundai seem to be doing fine without the UAW. rockylee: I'm offended as american that one of my fellow countrymen can sit up on their high horse and root for GM, to die !!! Such ignorance bothers me !!! No, they realize that giving any government money to the current mangement and union is just like flushing it down the toilet. GM is not viable in its present configuration. Government aid only delays the inevitable. GM needs to shrink to the point where it is sized to service about 15 percent of the market. That means factory closures, the shuttering of several divisions and elimination of the associated dealers, along with a rewrite of the UAW contract. All of which mean job losses for both white-collar and blue-collar employees at GM, but there is no alternative if GM is to become a VIABLE company with a future, as opposed to American Leyland. |
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| Rush is saying that the cost is $73 per hour for GM's UAW folk building the cars. That includes the ones being paid for not working and the retirees--if I understand correctly what he was saying. | |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 12, 2008 6:42 am) As I stated in the past, am so in the present, and will so in the future, just because these people "inherited" a load of you-know-what doesn't mean they have to continue to accept the load as status quo. Also, GM going into BK, not totally out of business, will not cause 2, 2.5, 3 million (I kept increasing the number because this number increased every other day by the journalists, which means by Friday we should be at ~3.5) to lose their jobs. The original number, as well as the current number, is based on if all three go out of business, and is a guesstimate. (hence the changing number). The point is, giving these guys monies, tax-payer monies, without real stipulations is just flushing it down the drain. Also, take into consideration that this is just to keep the doors open. It does not, repeat does not, guarantee that sales will just turn around and people will start buying their product. You will still have those that won't by a GM: -no matter how much you (or anyone else) cheerleader for them -because they don't have the credit -because they don't need to buy a vehicle -because they are waiting either until this economic mess is over, which is looking more like 2011 every day that passes, (also to see if GM is going to be around) -because they are looking for that killer deal, which most have been doing since 2003 ~ 2004 time frame or buying used because GM's residual values are terrible - whether real or not, you know, that whole perception more real than reality thing Again '62, I'm not here to argue with you or anyone, but you don't work for them anymore nor deal with them from the supplier side, which my company does, as well as the previous company I worked for - really bad since this was in the "Ignacious Era" - as well as at the OEM level. The truth may hurt but it needs to be told. Those that are opposed to give GM, or any company, a bailout are so because of the years of bad management and decisions, and lack of plans for when the times got rough, and the lack of accountability. They just rode the good times and had the "we'll deal with the bad when it comes". Look at AIG, anyone with common sense would have told you that was going to happen, that they would piss away any money they got for a bailout. Myself, as well as others, don't want the same thing to happen with GM. It would be the same if the oil companies came to Congress asking for a bailout, or when the Credit Card companies come to Congress for a bailout, which is going to be soon. And I'm sorry, the UAW isn't the blame for everything. Management has to answer for mistakes, and just having a plan of "need to make it to 2010" isn't going to cut it.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 11, 2008 9:27 pm) |
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Replying to: jae5 (Nov 12, 2008 10:46 am) All asked is where you heard that corporate level jobs are not being "slashed" at GM. Anybody can make up anything they want on the net. So where did you see that corporate jobs are not being cut?
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 12, 2008 8:32 am) |
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 12, 2008 6:39 am) Whatever could be wrong with their strategy them? Hmm, let's think about this. Those damn foreigners who are giving their cars away stealing sales form GM! Keep those products out of our country so GM can heal itself. Pesky neighbors, they are. Regards, OW
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Replying to: jae5 (Nov 12, 2008 10:46 am) The inevitable will happen at the end of Spring 2009 and it will cost $25Billion to delay the show until then. UAW, please prepare yourselves because the handwriting is on the walls...HELLO! Regards, OW |
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