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Re: Jim Kramer take [cooterbfd] by fezo
Nov 11, 2008 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 11, 2008 4:58 pm)

That's a new one to me. Get yourself so deeply in debt that it becomes impossible to fail?
 
They have to pay debts first. Figure out things would logically work and then do just the opposite. That's about how it works.
 
If you think bankruptcy works to take care of the folks most invested in it you need only look to Kmart. They declared bankruptcy, turned all Kmart stock into toilet paper and then the moment they were out of Chapter 11 bought Sears.
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.At GM,it's not as bad as they claim by toyot4life
Nov 11, 2008 (5:14 pm)
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I find it hard to believe that GM is at the brink of brankruptcy,i know things are bad but come on! i think they are crying wolf just to get a hand out. remember ,the fundamentals of the economy are STRONG, and Americans are just a nation of whiners,bailout or not,GM will still be around.
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Re: Jim Kramer take [fezo] by cooterbfd
Nov 11, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 11, 2008 5:03 pm)

Well, according to him, and the pundits GM's stock is already toilet paper. I would imagine that under normal circumstances GM would be able to refinance that debt, and stretch it out a little longer. But nobody can lend GM the money. If that figure is right that is 10% of the total bailout.
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Re: .At GM,it's not as bad as they claim [toyot4life] by cooterbfd
Nov 11, 2008 (5:21 pm)
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"............ remember ,the fundamentals of the economy are STRONG,"
 
Who are you, Mitt Romney????
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Re: Jim Kramer take [62vetteefp] by vanman1
Nov 11, 2008 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 11, 2008 3:32 pm)

For once Kramer is right.
 
Most people do not realize how much of a disaster letting GM Ford and Chrysler die would be. It would be far far worse than anything the Taliban or Osama could do to the U.S.
 
As for advertising.. you can't sell cars with out it. People who don't understand need a lesson in marketing 101.
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Re: Jim Kramer take [fezo] by steve_ HOST
Nov 11, 2008 (5:23 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 11, 2008 5:03 pm)

Get yourself so deeply in debt that it becomes impossible to fail
 
There's an old saw - borrow a little and you owe your soul to the bank. Borrow a lot and you own the bank.
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Re: .At GM,it's not as bad as they claim [toyot4life] by vanman1
Nov 11, 2008 (5:27 pm)
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Replying to: toyot4life (Nov 11, 2008 5:14 pm)

You may be right. GM has very strong car businesses over seas. Even here in Canada, GM is in far better shape, sales were only down around 6% last month and aren't that bad for 2008 so far.
 
The U.S. is a complete disaster though and it's mostly due to the credit crunch in my opinion. If you can't borrow anymore, how can you buy a car. Even the Japanese car makers are down 25-30%.
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Re: .At GM,it's not as bad as they claim [vanman1] by fezo
Nov 11, 2008 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: vanman1 (Nov 11, 2008 5:27 pm)

The fact that even Honda and Toyota are way down in sales is one of the better arguments for trying to save GM. Were it just a matter of GM's sales being in the tank it would be different.
 
I'm genuinely of a mixed mind here. It would undoubtedly be a disaster for GM to fail. I get that. The question is more can we prevent the failure by buying them time? I don't know the answer. They'll almost certainly get a bailout package so I guess we will see. The incoming president and both houses of Congress favor the bailout. They either have to convince the incumbent president or hang on for dear life for just over two months.
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Re: .At GM,it's not as bad as they claim [fezo] by vanman1
Nov 11, 2008 (7:12 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 11, 2008 7:02 pm)

GM has huge savings on the labor and benefit side that kick in for 2010, they just need to buy time. Further, the economy (if history is any indicator) should be better then and gas prices have already retreated.
 
No doubt GM has done a lot of stupid things in the past but in the last few years I have finally seen some decent products. I think they havethe best new product of any of the American makers and competitive with the best of the best.
 
I think if the unions co-operate, GM could be very viable. They have shown they can compete and succeed elsewhere. The perfect storm hit and spiking gas prices, a housing crisis and a credit crunch were not GM's making.
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GM's Wagoner: We need help this year by torque_r
Nov 11, 2008 (8:02 pm)
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GM's Wagoner: We need help this year
 
In a Nov. 10 interview with Automotive News Editor David Sedgwick, General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner addressed these questions:
• What concessions would he offer in return for aid?
• Can GM reduce its monthly cash burn?
 
http://www.autonews.com/

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