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just a quick note by nippononly
Nov 10, 2008 (7:59 am)
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GM's market share is currently at 22%, not the 25-30% mentioned above.
 
From today's news:
General Motors will likely fall below its minimum cash needs of $11 billion to $14 billion in the first quarter of 2009 if the troubled automaker does not receive additional funding, said an analyst at Barclays Capital.
 
GM stock plunged more than 24 percent in morning trading on the New York Stock Exchange.
 
Barclays' analyst Brian Johnson downgraded GM to "underweight" from "equal weight." Deutsche Bank also cut GM to "sell" from "hold," and saw an equity value of $0 for the stock, according to a report on theflyonthewall.com.
 
"While further government assistance would decrease the likelihood of a GM bankruptcy, we believe any government assistance would likely significantly dilute GM's equity," Barclays' Johnson wrote in a note to clients.
 
Johnson cut his price target on the stock to $1 from $4.
 
On Friday, GM and Ford said their rate of cash burn had accelerated. The two burned through a combined $14.6 billion in cash in the face of deepening global downturn.

 
http://www.autonews.com/article/20081110/ANA02/311109930/1142/emailblast02&Profi- le=1142
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Will there be enough time for Obama to get into the White House and get the money to GM before it quits operations? I know some hope so. Me, I still say the only viable long-term future for GM involves them declaring bankruptcy ASAP.
 
(And I am writing my congressional rep to tell her that if she votes to bail out Chrysler, she will not get my vote next time around).
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Re: Other countries should pitch in [fezo] by plekto
Nov 10, 2008 (9:01 am)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 10, 2008 7:54 am)

What we really need to happen is to have some protection of our industries. No, it's not "socialist". It's just that when you mix the current economic theories and a nearly hands-off business environment that verges upon anarchy together with greed...
 
I'm 200% behind bailing out GM and Ford *if* there are strong protection measures in place to keep them from off shoring everything with that money.
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Re: Percent toward health care premium [xrunner2] by 62vetteefp
Nov 10, 2008 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 10, 2008 7:52 am)

"Probably hundreds or thousands of U.S. companies have been cutting back on their contribution to health care premiums for workers and retirees. Is GM still paying more percent of premium than most companies? Understand when active hourly have iron-clad contract on health care premiums, but what about retirees? Has GM been cutting back on percent they pay for retirees?"
 
Salaried retirees pay 100% of health care. I believe starting in '10 hourly pays for health care including retirees.
 
We are on a HSA plan where we pay the first $5600 of medical bills and then go on some copay until we hit a max of $10,600 or so. No monthly payments.
 
For a PPO with deductables you pay $200 a month. Max yearly payment is $3000.
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Re: Other countries should pitch in [plekto] by steve_ HOST
Nov 10, 2008 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Nov 10, 2008 9:01 am)

"Although the federal Conservative government has promised the auto sector some C$450 million ($380 million) in grants, McGuinty said "we're going to have to do more". He added: "Is there something worth fighting for here? I think so."
 
McGuinty said the Ontario automakers and associated industries employ around 400,000 people and represent 5 percent of Canada's gross domestic product."
 
Canada premiers ask Ottawa for autos, credit help
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Re: my take [steve_] by dtownfb
Nov 10, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 09, 2008 8:44 pm)

If Canada chips in half, I may be willing to support a government loan if the big 3 agree to a complete re-structuring program.
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Re: my take [dtownfb] by 62vetteefp
Nov 10, 2008 (11:18 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Nov 10, 2008 11:16 am)

please list what you feel restructuring should be
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Re: Other countries should pitch in [plekto] by kernick
Nov 10, 2008 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Nov 10, 2008 9:01 am)

What we really need to happen is to have some protection of our industries.
 
If only the Big 3 felt the same way towards the U.S. worker (!), I would agree with you. But the Big 3 have NOT cared about keeping industry here in the U.S. or the work here. They are the ones who outsourced many of their parts and assembly plants to Mexico and (lesser for savings) Canada. They didn't care about shuttering things here if they could save a buck and not get the UAW too upset.
 
I also want you to consider that if we give them the $ in 2009, and they operate the same way they do today, do you not think they'll need more $ later??
 
They have been restructuring, and supposedly going to have the cars that turn things around; for the last 30 years. I see companies that are getting smaller and smaller and still have large pensions and health care to pay for, which means higher prices, less profit and back around to lower sales ...
 
Shouldn't the U.S. public (or at least Congress) see a viable turnaround plan before shoveling $ at them?
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Re: my take [62vetteefp] by dtownfb
Nov 10, 2008 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: 62vetteefp (Nov 10, 2008 11:18 am)

62vette, I've been through this before. Please read my past posts as I have been quite vocal about cutting brands.
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Re: Other countries should pitch in [kernick] by dtownfb
Nov 10, 2008 (11:49 am)
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 10, 2008 11:22 am)

Shouldn't the U.S. public (or at least Congress) see a viable turnaround plan before shoveling $ at them?
 
That makes too much sense.
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Re: Other countries should pitch in [kernick] by jae5
Nov 10, 2008 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 10, 2008 11:22 am)

Agree 100%. Many think that if the government just gives these people taxpayer money that they've learned their lesson and will do the right thing. Yeah, right. If they had done the right things in the first place they wouldn't need bailing out. Heck, even now the government has implemented AIG Bailout version 2.0, as AIG burned through $70-something billion in a matter of a month or two.
 
I don't want GM, Ford or Chrysler bailed out. And as you stated without a viable plan, which none have presented, it's throwing good money after bad.

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