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Replying to: lemko (Nov 07, 2008 12:59 pm) Oh come on, Lemko. You write like someone twice your age! With your logic, GM shouldn't have been allowed to sell in Europe, South America, or of late, China. It works both ways you know. I agree with one thing though, the Amercian "ecosystem" (domestic automakers) couldn't handle it, but they have no one to blame but their own poor management decisions over the last 30+ years. |
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 08, 2008 7:24 pm) With the logic of the past 60 years of American history...we bail out parasitic nations and greedy cowardly banks, why not misguided automakers? 
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Replying to: obyone (Nov 08, 2008 10:51 am) 350 was the dog. The 455 had just been discontinued in 1977 and the 403 took its place. The 350 was the large engine option for a standard model Cutlass Supreme. If my father had had a 442 or a Hurst Edition, I would have mentioned it. It still was a great car, though, having a ton of torque and virtually no smog equipment.(78+ was when it started to go downhill)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 07, 2008 1:15 pm) Or you could just keep your '89 Caddy Fleetwood forever.
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Replying to: plekto (Nov 09, 2008 10:21 am) Really? So in '76, the only way to get a 455 in a Cutlass was to specify either a 442 or Hurst, or maybe a wagon? That's kind of a bummer, even though the 350 was a good engine. With my '76 Grand LeMans, the 400 was actually standard, although a 350 was a credit option. And someone must have thought that was a good idea at the time, because that's what mine ended up with. 
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Replying to: berri (Nov 09, 2008 7:44 am) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 08, 2008 8:35 am)  -Rocky
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I have owned both Japanese (Honda, Toyota) and American (GM) cars. I recently bought a 2008 V6 Malibu and it was the best midsize car I drove in my opinion. It's built better and designed better and I just liked it better. GM DOES make cars people want, I am proof and their 25-30% market share proves it also! I think the big three still pay for the past but the union structure is really hurting them, it's something they were fixing slowly. That said, when you get a perfect storm of crazy gas spikes followed by a massive credit crunch, housing collapse and now a recession, people should not assume that the big 3 "make crap" or should be closed up. The storm was not their making and the consequences of their failure are massive and far beyond what most people realize. Anyway, I hate corporate welfare but this is THE crisis of our lifetime. These companies need a lifeline and I think they must get it. It's important for America to have it's own auto industry and Americans should support it in every way. Just my opinion, I am Canadian and so I am not being "patriotic", it's my outside view from north of the 49th.
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Replying to: vanman1 (Nov 09, 2008 7:56 pm) Nice opinion considering it is not your tax dollars that will bail them out. Yes, the malibu is a nice car but it's a little too late. This is the car that should have been built back in 1997. 25-30 market share? It used to be much higher. So declining sales is a symbol of strength in your mind? Gm was heading down this road before this so called "perfect storm". GM has have not reported a profit since 2004. Why do you think they squeezed the UAW so much on the last negotiations? Ask GM what happened to their electric car? GM made a gamble that Americans would buy more SUVs and pickups. They sent their better cars overseas to better penetrate those markets. We were stuck with the Grand AM, Grand Prix, L-Series, Ion, malibu Classic, Impala, Cavalier, G6, etc. And you have to ask why people think GM doesn't make car that people want? These cars are prime rental cars. I oppose the federal government bailing out the big 3. The main reason is they have made bad decisions over the years that have led them to this point. GM in particular has too many brands to support. Badge engineering has cost them Buick, Pontiac and Saturn. You can probably add Saab as well. Again, their better cars are over in Europe and not here in NA. Why? They knew they could count on enough Americans buying their products based on blind loyalty. If they made products like the current Malibu over the past decade, they would not be in this situation and the foreign carmakers would never have had a chance in this country.
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Replying to: dtownfb (Nov 09, 2008 8:33 pm)
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