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Replying to: imidazol97 (Nov 07, 2008 7:20 pm) ????? You're saying these cars are bad? Those are OK, but not leading edge as were the GMs of the 50's, 60's. Would have to get a year-by-year picture book of GM mid 70's to early 2000's to make a long list of bad styling. Most recent poor design/esthetics - last gen Malibu, Pontiac Aztek, last GTO. From decades past, some poor designs - most all of the Pontiac Grand Ams and Bonnevilles for their body cladding parts, approx 1979 bustle back Seville, last gen of Firebirds and Camaros which got fat and bulbous looking, x cars, downsized Cads of the 80's, Cad Cavalier/Cimmaron, downsized Riv of the 80s', mid 90's bulbous and fat reincarnation of Impala, weird looking last gen of Riv in mid-nineties, bulbous Roadmaster of mid 90's, etc, etc, etc. Guess need to get that GM picture book from Borders covering 70's to present to make a complete list of styling disasters. GM is getting it right today with CTS, Malibu, Enclave, Acadia, etc.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 08, 2008 7:15 am)  Now we can't anymore!  Regards, OW
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Replying to: rockylee (Nov 07, 2008 11:30 pm) According to your article on unemployment, I would say yes wages are still too high. If a new Impala is only worth $17,700 what is the guy that put it together worth? It looks to me like wages need to be cut by about 35% across the board to make the Big 3 competitive again. That goes all the way to the top management and down to the guy pushing a broom. About 10.1 million people were unemployed in October I think if you offered those people $14 per hour, the starting wage for UAW workers, the majority would jump at it. I think most would be happy for a $10 job right about now. It is supply and demand. A mechanic friend at a large Ford agency just got laid off. He has been there for 26 years. They went by seniority and laid off 8 mechanics. Sales were less than 20% of last year this time at his dealership.
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 08, 2008 7:15 am) They may be getting it much more right with looks, but their quality still SUCKS. Look at the reliability of these vehicles vs. even Ford's new cars. GM has a ways to go. Quit putting in cheap parts, man-up, and build good cars that will last. |
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The largest engine that was offered in the 70s in it was a 350 V8. Which was a vast improvement over the little V6s. It wasn't until my father bought his Park Avenue(same one pictured) with the supercharger in it that he had a car that was as fast around town. I still see that old Cutlass around Pasadena every so often. You can't miss it - it was repainted wrongly and came out bright bird egg blue. |
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 08, 2008 8:15 am) Look at that grille and snout! Are Toyota designers blind, or just very drunk? |
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Replying to: fintail (Nov 08, 2008 9:26 am)  Here is the interior of the Venza  Now, the Chevy  See? Junky! Regards, OW |
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Replying to: fintail (Nov 08, 2008 9:26 am) |
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GM quality sucks, as does some of the Honda product assembled here in the US. ACtually, I would take the Acadia, or Traverse or Outlook over my 2008 Odyssey any day of the week. But only on the more expensive models do you get materials and workmanship worth a shit. I don't want my tax dollars bailing out companies who have done a poor job, let them restructure and start over. the UAW has run this company into the ground with their demands. start by idling plants wtih no one buying GM junk, cutting salaries, and eliminate lifetime medical benefits. Its no wonder GM is in the toilet, their prices were over inflated to begin with just to provide healthcare benefits to workers. |
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Replying to: plekto (Nov 08, 2008 9:00 am) OMG how old were you in 1976? 350 was the dog. The 455 had just been discontinued in 1977 and the 403 took its place. http://www.oldride.com/library/1977_oldsmobile_cutlass.html http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1973-1977-oldsmobile-intermediates5.htm
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