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Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer?

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#6 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [trueteller] by accelerator

Feb 15, 2008 (3:24 pm)

Replying to: trueteller (Feb 15, 2008 3:02 pm)
In the case of the GTR, the other #1 title the GTR can claim is in the fugly category. Does that counter the other #1 category it holds?

#7 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [accelerator] by trueteller

Feb 15, 2008 (3:33 pm)

Replying to: accelerator (Feb 15, 2008 3:24 pm)
In the case of the GTR, the other #1 title the GTR can claim is in the fugly category. Does that counter the other #1 category it holds?
 
I agree, not the most beautiful car ever made. But aggressive styling doesn't necessarily hurt with supercars.

#8 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [trueteller] by accelerator

Feb 15, 2008 (3:45 pm)

Replying to: trueteller (Feb 15, 2008 3:33 pm)
The Stealth Bomber comes to mind.
 
Wasn't Toyota coming out with a new Supra or has that been tabled? I remember seeing a white concept and that was pretty sharp looking but concepts don't always make it to fruition.

#9 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [accelerator] by trueteller

Feb 15, 2008 (4:33 pm)

Replying to: accelerator (Feb 15, 2008 3:45 pm)
The Stealth Bomber comes to mind.
  
Wasn't Toyota coming out with a new Supra or has that been tabled? I remember seeing a white concept and that was pretty sharp looking but concepts don't always make it to fruition.
 
This is the latest I've heard. Since partnering with Subaru, I think Toyota is leaning towards the Celica as a sort of Impreza coupe with an optional STI version at 300hp. If its light enough that should be able to perform decently, at a much smaller purchase price than a GT-R.
 
Celica
 

#10 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [trueteller] by fedlawman

Feb 15, 2008 (4:41 pm)

Replying to: trueteller (Feb 15, 2008 3:02 pm)
It was a great car, no doubt, 15-20 years ago.
   
But somehow I don't think Honda and Toyota are going to lose any sleep over it in 2008.
  
"I'm not quite sure what you mean."
 
I meant that Honda and Toyota are not losing sleep over Nissan sales figures, and they're not likely to change their thinking just because a relative two-bit player like Nissan now has a "flagship."
 
I do agree that it's great that Nissan is doing it - you're right, it doesn't hurt to have a flagship.

#11 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [bf109ace] by ljgbjg

Apr 15, 2008 (1:11 pm)

Replying to: bf109ace (Oct 19, 2007 1:45 pm)
Uh...nobody has an answer to the GT-R!!!! Comparo tests have it beating the pants of M3, Corvette Z06, and Porsche Carrera GT3

#12 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [ljgbjg] by accelerator

Apr 15, 2008 (1:34 pm)

Replying to: ljgbjg (Apr 15, 2008 1:11 pm)
Honda already produced the answer... S2000. if you don't believe me, ask my pocket book. I can afford an S2000; I cannot afford a GTR. Thankfully, the GTR will never beat the pants off of me since I wont set foot (or any other body part) in a GTR.
 
But I'm guessing this probably isn't the answers you are looking for. Just a light-hearted response on this hectic Tuesday.

#13 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [accelerator] by ljgbjg

Apr 17, 2008 (1:38 pm)

Replying to: accelerator (Apr 15, 2008 1:34 pm)
The S2000 is a great sports car in the tradition of British 2 seat roadsters taken to the limit - MUCH more reliable, MUCH quicker (I had mine up to 150+ once), much better EVERYTHING. It is no cruiser with 4000 RPM/76 MPH on the Interstate, and it is no 1/4 mile dragster, thought its numbers are respectable it is not in GTR territory - not even the NSX was!. Perhaps Honda can come up with a 4 liter, DOHC V-8 with 480 HP and 9000 RPM redline - two 2.0 liter S2000 engines! THEN it might answer the GTR and without too much more room necessary in the engine compartment!

#14 of 15 Re: Nissan GT-R - Does Honda Have an Answer? [ljgbjg] by bigmclargehuge

Apr 24, 2008 (6:42 am)

Replying to: ljgbjg (Apr 17, 2008 1:38 pm)
High revs make a fun noise, but are not always the fastest option for a road car.
 
It might compete with an M3 with a 320tq double-2.0, but not a GT-R. Unless its made from carbon-fiber and tissue paper, it can't be without 400-500tq.
 
Audi has come to terms that a high-revving V8 wasn't the best choice over a V6 TT
 
BMW is realizing the potential of the I-6 TT over the high-revving V8 released at the same time
 
Frankly, to get a high-revving naturally aspirated engine to produce that much torque, it might as well be a 5.0-7.0L engine. And unless you're going with a big Chevy V8, it might as well be a V10-V12. Somewhere in the range of 550-650hp.
 
Look at the engines in the 599GTB and Gallardo versus the F430, M3, and RS4. The V8s built so far to your spec all have about the same grunt. The V10-12's are more in the range of what Honda is looking for. Honda probably has the right idea.
 
Besides, they'd all be better off cutting their engines in half and TT-ing them.

#15 of 15 Them's fightin' words! by bigmclargehuge

Jun 18, 2008 (10:32 am)

Replying to: bigmclargehuge (Apr 24, 2008 6:42 am)
Honda CEO says NSX will be faster than GT-R

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