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First Look: 2009 Nissan GT-R - Due for its much-anticipated unveiling at the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show, the 2009 Nissan GT-R will finally arrive in the U.S. next spring. Nothing will ever be the same again. (more)

A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R - One of the primary performance objectives set forth by the Nissan GT-R's development team is to lap the Nürburgring's Nordschleife faster than a 997-based Porsche 911 Turbo. The 2009 Nissan GT-R had circled the famed circuit in 7 minutes and 55 seconds during endurance testing earlier in the year, trailing the 911 Turbo by 15 seconds. (more)

First Drive: 2009 Nissan GT-R (JDM Spec) - Unlike most supercars, the GT-R doesn't sit only 2 inches off the ground, so it's easy to slide into the driver seat. This is a Japanese-market car, so we're on the right-hand side, which makes everything feel awkward. The seat is firm and narrow, and the high center console gives the cabin a tight, cockpit-style feel. (more)

Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R (Japanese-Spec) - We know you want the numbers and we're not going to waste your time. Neither is Nissan. Its 2009 GT-R hits 60 mph in 3.3 seconds, quicker than the last Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo we tested. (more)

Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R - Bottom Line:The GT-R delivers a rare combination of speed, agility and technological sophistication. It's a bit of a cold fish, but for $76K, we'll deal. (more)

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#64 of 93 Re: The Numbers do not add up [mbukukanyau] by ace47 May 30, 2008 (5:21 pm)
Replying to: mbukukanyau (Oct 20, 2007 5:51 pm) Have you people ever heard of cars like the EVO VII? A high hp rating does not equal more acceleration for Japanese cars. It does that for only American cars. The GT-R uses every bit of the power that is available which is why it is faster than all it's competition not to mention better looking. Their are other factors that come into play, all of which the GT-R has to make it the worlds greatest supercar.
#65 of 93 Re: Vent Function? [trueteller] by ace47 May 31, 2008 (3:48 am)
Replying to: trueteller (Feb 17, 2008 8:24 am) Just by that comment you have shown how much you know. Yes the 911 Turbo was the benchmark car but that is only because it is considered the best German AWD car ever. Nissan has never, nor will it ever have to reverse engineer a car, especially the ones made by Germans and Americans. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (May 31, 2008 5:46 am)
#66 of 93 Re: Vent Function? [ace47] by bigmclargehuge May 31, 2008 (5:46 am)
Replying to: ace47 (May 31, 2008 3:48 am) You are just over 3 months overdue on that comment. I think it has been established that 'reverse engineer' is not the correct term.
#67 of 93 GT-R? hp equals acceleration? by ace47 Jun 01, 2008 (3:34 am)
Reverse engineer, or any term like that is just stupid, considering that the Japanese are the best in tecnology. Yeah I did make a comment after a long time buit I joined only a couple of days ago. And yeah, I should have read all the comments but I just got sick of people badmouthing this car and said what I thought after the first few comments. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Jun 01, 2008 6:33 pm)
#68 of 93 Re: GT-R? hp equals acceleration? [ace47] by bigmclargehuge Jun 01, 2008 (6:33 pm)
Replying to: ace47 (Jun 01, 2008 3:34 am) Actually I think that was a defense of the GT-R. But lets give credit where credit is due, the idea for an AWD supercar was not a Japanese brainchild. Reverse engineering (RE) is the process of discovering the technological principles of a device, object or system through analysis of its structure, function and operation. Its not a stupid comment. The Japanese often do things 'best', but not always 'first'. The Europeans actually do come up with a lot of technologies first, but the Japanese spend countless hours, days, years fine-tuning and quality controlling them to perfection. Acura NSX. In some respects better than the Ferrari's of its day, true enough. Thats reverse engineering done right. The Porsche 959 was Nissan's target when designing the GT-R. Without the Porsche 959, AWD might never have made it onto the R32, and thus it wouldn't have made that dramatic leap forward in performance. Looking at any parts, schematics, data, designs, or drawings of another car and using that as a basis for your own design IS reverse-engineering on some level. And at that time there was only 1 AWD supercar on the road, the limited-production 959. Perhaps thats not exactly what happened with the R35 vs. 997T. But its still neither stupid nor insulting to say that 'anything Porsche can do, Nissan can do better 2 years later.' Because thats what happens. Call it what you will.
#69 of 93 GT-R by ace47 Jun 01, 2008 (7:57 pm)
Anyone can come up with something but its another to perfect it. And when did I say anything about AWD? But is that the reason that the Japanese are the undisputed automative masters of car makers, cosidering the performance per price? The R32 was built for the sole purpose of winning races in Japan, something which it did in a manner yet to be accomplished by Porche. I believe they won 29/29 races and the Europeans pulled up a protest as the GT-R was first from start to finish even with load penalties. Yeah, on some occasions the Europeans come with the ideas first but than they have the financial backing to put it to work before others considering the money they make from overpriced cars. And the NSX wasn't built to compete with Ferraris, it was built to showcase Hondas Vtec tecnology. Pretty good for a car delivering 95hp/L in those days considering the 3L displacement. Maybe you have more patience than I do but you don't have to look hard to see that those badmouthing the GT-R seem to think that hp equals acceleration as if other factors don't get taken into account. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Jun 02, 2008 5:10 am)
#70 of 93 Re: GT-R [ace47] by bigmclargehuge Jun 02, 2008 (5:10 am)
Replying to: ace47 (Jun 01, 2008 7:57 pm) Anyone can come up with something but its another to perfect it. I wouldn't say that. Inventors are very important to the process. Not 'anyone' is an inventor of advanced technology. But indeed, one thing that can be accredited to the Japanese is Quality Control. They established its use in the automotive world, and it has changed the market drastically. It means they don't tolerate failure, i.e. they want as few defects as possible. It also means they take less risk, which is why they often are benchmarking against European cars that already exist. And when did I say anything about AWD? You said the term reverse-engineer was stupid. Well, we're talking about a car that benchmarked AWD technology from Porsche, and improved on it. It was an example of reverse-engineering done right. But is that the reason that the Japanese are the undisputed automative masters of car makers, cosidering the performance per price? That's a pretty tall claim. Lets not forget that the Z06 has been the cheapest supercar for about 3 years now. No country has a monopoly on performance. They just all go about it in different ways. Right now Nissan holds the torche, but it will be passed to another company at some point, even if temporarily. The R32 was built for the sole purpose of winning races in Japan, something which it did in a manner yet to be accomplished by Porche. I believe they won 29/29 races and the Europeans pulled up a protest as the GT-R was first from start to finish even with load penalties. Yeah, on some occasions the Europeans come with the ideas first but than they have the financial backing to put it to work before others considering the money they make from overpriced cars. It doesn't matter where they were raced. Nissan had been building GT-R Skylines for what, 20 years at that point? If the 959 hadn't shown up and initiated the age of the AWD supercar, Nissan might have just produced another Skyline with suspension tuning. It would not have been the hypercar of its day that it was. Also, the R35 deciding to use 480hp in their design is an example of reverse-engineering. They wanted to be equal to or better than the 997T, which has 480 hp and a 3.5-to-4.0 liter 6-cylinder. So that's what they did. Thats reverse-engineering. Using stats and data of a car that already exists to fine-tune your own. Maybe you have more patience than I do but you don't have to look hard to see that those badmouthing the GT-R seem to think that hp equals acceleration as if other factors don't get taken into account. Not sure what that had to do with the earlier conversation. I agree that some people think that, but its better to explain these things to people who don't understand automotive technology than to accost them with it, IMO. That way you can have a conversation, without either side getting too defensive.
#71 of 93 GT-R by ace47 Jun 02, 2008 (3:32 pm)
Okay then Sherlock, you are the one who came up with, " It has been established reverse engineering is not the correct term" and now you are saying that it is reverse engineering done right? Make up your mind here. And you might wanna do your research again. The Japanese are the world leader in automotive tecnology and machinery. And just because you get a few spy shots of a car running with a Porche is no proof that the latter is being reverse engineered. So far All anyone has seen is the GT-R racing around the Nurburgring with the 911 at it's heels. It doesn't matter where they were raced. Nissan had been building GT-R Skylines for what, 20 years at that point? If the 959 hadn't shown up and initiated the age of the AWD supercar, Nissan might have just produced another Skyline with suspension tuning. It would not have been the hypercar of its day that it was. Yeah, Nissan had been making Skylines before the R32 but those were intended as luxury vehicles and please check the pubilicity involved when the R32 came out. You'll find out that there are none. The R32 gained its reputation solely by winning and found recognition worldwide by its victories. And Porche can hardly be credited as the creators of AWD cosidering the Dutch came up with the first AWD car. And I suppose Mitsubishi and Subaru also came with AWD ideas from Porche? And Subaru also copied the boxer design? And their is no R35 GT-R. The new model only has the chassis code continue with the heritage. That does not make it the R35. And you people regard the ZO6 as a supercar because of its respectable performance. One can't deny that. But then several of the EVO variants can outrun Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Doesn't that make them supercar status?, considering they have the same weight of the Z06 with smaller engines, almost 1/3 the displacement of the Z06 not to mention half the price tag. And they came out before the Z06. And if Nissan wanted a reverse engineered car, they would have built it from the ground up, not taken a saloon design and installed their best tecnology in it. Their sole purpose was to win races and the R32 wasn't even intended as a production car. Replies to this message: bigmclargehuge (Jun 02, 2008 7:10 pm)
#72 of 93 Re: GT-R [ace47] by bigmclargehuge Jun 02, 2008 (7:10 pm)
Replying to: ace47 (Jun 02, 2008 3:32 pm) Elementary my dear Watson. I looked up the definition of 'reverse-engineering.' I found out you don't have to reverse-engineer an entire car. You can just pick and choose little bits and pieces and technologies. So no, you don't have to build from the ground up. And I suppose Mitsubishi and Subaru also came with AWD ideas from Porche? And Subaru also copied the boxer design? Well they sure didn't invent any of those things. Actually it was Audi's quattro system that was first developed AWD for on-road use. And it was Benz and BMW that developed the first flat engines and boxers. Get your facts straight. Actually you should check your own automotive history, because the first Skyline GT-R was in 1969. It was a performance version, not a luxury version. The R32 was just the first one to reach supercar status because they benchmarked it against the 959, at the time the world's only AWD supercar. If Nissan benchmarked against a 480hp car, and then decided to use 480hp, by definition they reverse-engineered the specs of the Porsche. They copied a few things, deal with it. Initial production of the car was the required 5000 to allow for homologation starting on May 22, 1989 which with critical acclaim by the motoring press along with heavy demand for the car, Nissan opted to allow an unlimited production run which went on sale to the public in August 1989, and began its Group A campaign in 1990. ^^^ see there, there was a huge media frenzy over the car before it was even sold. Very similar to the R35 hype of today. Umm.. if its the GT-R on the R35 chassis, it is in fact the R35 GT-R. Its like 997 Turbo. 997 is the current chassis, but each model from Carrera to GT2 has a different designation. Sure, I don't have a problem calling the EVO a supercar in its high-power versions. The Z51 Corvette isn't really a supercar. The 911 Carrera isn't really a supercar. But the Z06 and the GT2 are supercars. So if the FQ-400 crosses that fuzzy gray line in performance, it can be one too. And Porche can hardly be credited as the creators of AWD cosidering the Dutch came up with the first AWD car. You'd actually be wrong, Porsche can be credited as the creator of full-time 4WD for road vehicles, even though he never put it in an ICE 'car'. The Dutch Spyker did that 4 years later. Isn't it interesting how one of the first 4WD electric vehicles ever was invented by Ferdinand Porsche in 1899? Things that the Japanese may have perfected 100 years later, but they sure didn't invent them. And you might wanna do your research again. The Japanese are the world leader in automotive tecnology and machinery. Why don't you enlighten us all with examples? I'll start with aluminum monocoque chassis. Invented by Honda for the NSX. What else you got? I'm not sure who or what you're arguing against. The GT-R is a fine vehicle. But why do you think everything else ever made was crap? I wonder what do you drive, and is it crap because its not a GT-R?