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First Look: 2009 Nissan GT-R
- Due for its much-anticipated unveiling at the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show, the 2009 Nissan GT-R will finally arrive in the U.S. next spring. Nothing will ever be the same again. (more)
 
A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R - One of the primary performance objectives set forth by the Nissan GT-R's development team is to lap the Nürburgring's Nordschleife faster than a 997-based Porsche 911 Turbo. The 2009 Nissan GT-R had circled the famed circuit in 7 minutes and 55 seconds during endurance testing earlier in the year, trailing the 911 Turbo by 15 seconds. (more)
 
First Drive: 2009 Nissan GT-R (JDM Spec) - Unlike most supercars, the GT-R doesn't sit only 2 inches off the ground, so it's easy to slide into the driver seat. This is a Japanese-market car, so we're on the right-hand side, which makes everything feel awkward. The seat is firm and narrow, and the high center console gives the cabin a tight, cockpit-style feel. (more)
 
Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R (Japanese-Spec) - We know you want the numbers and we're not going to waste your time. Neither is Nissan. Its 2009 GT-R hits 60 mph in 3.3 seconds, quicker than the last Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo we tested. (more)
 
Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R - Bottom Line:The GT-R delivers a rare combination of speed, agility and technological sophistication. It's a bit of a cold fish, but for $76K, we'll deal. (more)


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Re: Vent Function? [trueteller] by 240ka
Feb 17, 2008 (1:22 am)
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Replying to: trueteller (Feb 16, 2008 7:43 pm)

the porsche is at its limit. i mean the GT-R has exposed how much the porsche 911 turbo understeers/ this has never be noticed before until going against the GT-R.
 
the Engine in the GT-R i believe is behind the front axle while its not that far behind i would consider it to be a front mid engine car. you are very right about the EVO while im not to fond of the EVO X. i liked the EVO 9 better.
 
but the porsche limits are being shown with it being compared to the GT-R on base platforms. as well as the corvette z06 atleast. we'll see how the ZR-1 does
 
but again the problem witht the Vette is that it cant put its power to the ground. thats the main problem with the car. more power isnt going to do anything for the car if there isnt enough weight.
 
watch sooner or later the bar is going to be raised to the point that if porsche and chevy want to kleep their cars to the road they are going to have to find a way to make them stick to the ground.
 
if chevy doesnt go AWD which they wont the only thing they can do is go with mid engine or front mid engine like the gt-r. just like porsche. Nissan alone will keep uping the ante to where a rear engine car isnt going to handle well enough it already doesnt against the GT-R. they already have the AWD they are going to have to go to the cayman platfrom in the future(mid engine) if they are going to try and keep up. im betting the corvette will either get heavier or become mid engine. or front mid engine.
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Re: Vent Function? [240ka] by trueteller
Feb 17, 2008 (5:47 am)
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Replying to: 240ka (Feb 17, 2008 1:22 am)

Possibly. But look at it this way. When Nissan wanted a car to beat the 911, they reverse-engineered the 911. They studied every part, kept what they liked, threw away what they didn't like, and improved on each piece. Basically they could bring us a better car for less because Porsche did half the engineering work for them.
 
Reverse-engineering is actually a very convenient philosophy. Wait until someone else has a good design, steal it, and make it cheaper and more reliable. If Porsche wanted to, they could take a good, hard look at what Nissan has done with their AYC and AWD, and copy it. That would bring the 911 back into the running. I doubt it has quite as much to do with where the engine is in the car. If that were the case, the Audi R8 would stomp them both. Its really just down to how fast the reaction time of the ECU can transfer power to the 4 wheels and react to changing stimuli to prevent wheelspin. Nissan and Mitsubishi seem to have the fastest processors in cars available today.
 
Yeah, EVO 9 was a beautiful car. The X has plastic vomit all over the grille, the hood vents, the fake vents on the side, the interior, the engine bay. Its wretched build quality. But you can't argue about their electronic traction systems. They rock.
 
I think the ZR1 might make up some of the difference in speed, but at a cost. The Lingenfelter I think was a $30-40K option over the base C5 corvette. The ZR1 will be around $100K. Wth the Lingenfelter, I think they lowered the rear axle ratio to 4.10, killing gas mileage, but that means they didn't have to add weight in the back. So yeah, it is more expensive to make a Vette go as fast, but it can be done.
#51 of 93
Double-post by trueteller
Feb 17, 2008 (9:07 am)
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Replying to: trueteller (Feb 17, 2008 5:47 am)

Sorry to double-post but I just came accross this:
 
AWD Vette
 
This is a perfect example of Corvette reverse-engineering off of some GT-R ideas. That would make them both front-engined, AWD. They would both have roughly equal balance, but the Vette would be lighter and more powerful. This could get interesting. Its a constant game of one-upmanship, and there is never any permanent winner. Its just waiting until the next guy steals your ideas.
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Re: Vent Function? [trueteller] by 240ka
Feb 17, 2008 (9:11 am)
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Replying to: trueteller (Feb 17, 2008 5:47 am)

"reverse engineer" is a bad term. "kept and throw away" what they liked isnt good term either. Nissan didnt reverse engineer the 911 turbo to create the GT-R.
 
nothing on the GT-R is a copy of the 911 turbo. absolutlely nothing. Nissan never needed to copy anyone. they just studied everything about the car to see what set it part from the others.
 
but thats a bad term "reverse engineered." no ideas from the 911 turbo was stolen and used on the GT-R.
 
Im sure the head of porsche bought a GT-R and is using it as a benchmark like nissan did with the 911 turbo. if they are smart they would.
 
i agree with you on the vette comments. ii;d rather just get the ling vette and have even more powr than the zr-1.
 
i like the zr-1's looks and at the same time i dont. it looks good in one glance and in another it looks like a hot wheels car. zr-1 looks like a kid designed it in a way to me.
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Re: Vent Function? [240ka] by trueteller
Feb 17, 2008 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: 240ka (Feb 17, 2008 9:11 am)

Perhaps not totally reverse-engineered, but the 911 turbo was the benchmark car. Nothing was copied exactly, but they more or less have the same functions. Nissan entering the game later gave them an opportunity to look at what others had done and improve on them. Is there a better term? I can't think of it.
 
Similarly, the Corvette going AWD can only be a reaction to the GT-R. They have to be looking at specifics on the GT-R to reflect their own improvements. It is a quid-pro-quo environment.
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Re: Vent Function? [trueteller] by 240ka
Feb 17, 2008 (10:07 am)
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Replying to: trueteller (Feb 17, 2008 9:24 am)

"Studied meticulously" is the term i'd use. using the 911 turbo as the benchmark.
 
porsche better be diong the same with the GT-R.
 
but i can see the vette going mid engine well before AWD. i dont see it giong AWD ever, im not a vette fan and i wouldnt even like to see that. but chevy was saying in the motor trend or car & driver article when they had the 2012 vette on the cover last year. the yellow vette look looks like a ferrari. that in order to keep up with everyone else. they are going to have to make the vette mid engine.
 
and thats another thing i dont like about the vette. chevy is copying ferrari way to much. so much that vette are starting to resemble ferraris. thats not a good thing
 
this vette right here
http://www.corvetteblog.com/archives/2012-corvette-c7-motor-trend-publishes-majo- r-insights-on-2012-c7-corvette.html
 
that thing looks too much like a ferrari. i hate it
#55 of 93
Re: Vent Function? [240ka] by trueteller
Feb 17, 2008 (10:45 am)
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Replying to: 240ka (Feb 17, 2008 10:07 am)

Both of our articles are pretty dated. And I can't find anything dated 2008 on either topic. Hard to say what they are planning, really.
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Tuned 996 Turbo, BMW 335i, M5 & Stock R35 GT-R Time Attack by 240ka
Feb 19, 2008 (9:22 am)
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this video shows how nasty the stock Nissan GT-R is, you can see how fast the tuned 996 911 turbo is
 
post times
996TT time 1:02.499
GT-R time 1:02.835
 
the GT-R was only behind the tuned 911 turbo by 3 tenths that says how insane the GT-R is
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U50P3x1kuuc
 
im sorry. the GT-R is the new KING
#57 of 93
Road Trip! by claires HOST
Mar 26, 2008 (9:18 pm)
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2009 Nissan GT-R Road Trip: So Long Santa Monica
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0-60 Time by drft
May 26, 2008 (10:35 am)
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The video of the full test says the GT-R reaches 0-60 in 3.2 seconds, "The fastest the fastest production car they have ever tested". Although, the article says the 3.2 seconds was with one foot of rollout. Why did they say it was the fastest production car they ever tested?

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