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First Look: 2009 Nissan GT-R
- Due for its much-anticipated unveiling at the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show, the 2009 Nissan GT-R will finally arrive in the U.S. next spring. Nothing will ever be the same again. (more)
 
A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R - One of the primary performance objectives set forth by the Nissan GT-R's development team is to lap the Nürburgring's Nordschleife faster than a 997-based Porsche 911 Turbo. The 2009 Nissan GT-R had circled the famed circuit in 7 minutes and 55 seconds during endurance testing earlier in the year, trailing the 911 Turbo by 15 seconds. (more)
 
First Drive: 2009 Nissan GT-R (JDM Spec) - Unlike most supercars, the GT-R doesn't sit only 2 inches off the ground, so it's easy to slide into the driver seat. This is a Japanese-market car, so we're on the right-hand side, which makes everything feel awkward. The seat is firm and narrow, and the high center console gives the cabin a tight, cockpit-style feel. (more)
 
Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R (Japanese-Spec) - We know you want the numbers and we're not going to waste your time. Neither is Nissan. Its 2009 GT-R hits 60 mph in 3.3 seconds, quicker than the last Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo we tested. (more)
 
Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R - Bottom Line:The GT-R delivers a rare combination of speed, agility and technological sophistication. It's a bit of a cold fish, but for $76K, we'll deal. (more)


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#38 of 93
Re: C 'mon guys, think. [master2] by hsquared
Jan 15, 2008 (9:43 pm)
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Replying to: master2 (Jan 15, 2008 5:15 pm)

So you like this "lightning lap" thing because it tells you what you want to believe. Someone else may like the Nurburgring lap times because that tells them what they want to believe. None of that changes the fact that the performance of the GT-R in this test seems to show that it's all that Nissan promised it would be. And remember, this test was performed on what Edmunds call a "less-than-ideal surface". I've always thought that Edmund's numbers for the Z06 didn't do the car justice. But the fact the you and a lot of other vette guys are getting your panties in a twist over this article shows that you're wondering if the GT-R might be a true contender. Even to the point of some of you suggesting that Edmunds is fudging their numbers. Maybe it's C&D that's fudging. That kind of speculation is a slippery slope.
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Vent Function? by thepdmm
Feb 10, 2008 (11:49 am)
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Are the Vents (Behind front wheel well and hood) on the 09 GT-R functional? I guess for 70K they have to at least be real? If they don't have much use that is fine, but is the hole really there?
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Re: Vent Function? [thepdmm] by thenebean
Feb 13, 2008 (7:48 am)
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Replying to: thepdmm (Feb 10, 2008 11:49 am)

the vents are there to cool the brakes - they are definitely functional.
 
and some of the corvette fans should calm down - all this competition does is make it better for performance nuts. why people can't give credit where credit is due is beyond me. if you take the time to read about all the technologies that nissan included in this car, and the design process and thought process behind the shape of the car and all the pieces that make it up, you'd realize that its not just nissan throwing together something really quick just to pretend to be a player in the high end sportscar market.
 
the GT-R has long been regarded one of the best overall sports cars in the world, and has a history going back 40 plus years...not just the last few months.
 
take some time to read and educate yourselves before making assumptions on anything.
 
my two cents
 
-thene
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Re: Vent Function? [thenebean] by trueteller
Feb 15, 2008 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: thenebean (Feb 13, 2008 7:48 am)

Amen, I get tired of the "American vs. Japanese" argument as well. No country has a monopoly on performance.
 
However, lets say that Edmunds and Nissan are telling the truth, and this thing can do a 0-60 in 3.3s, and 1/4-mile in 11.6. That is with only minimal testing! The Z06 has been to drag strips all over the country in the hands of experienced drivers running multiple laps and posting good times. The GT-R's been borrowed for a day and put through numerous tests. They said they didn't launch it much, because they were borrowing it.
 
As for it being possible in a 3800lb car? Well it does have 2x as many wheels throwing torque to the ground. Traction makes a huge difference in acceleration. So lets just call this one plausible. And stickier tires are likely to improve the grip of the GT-R just as easily as for the Z06. The power might be similar, but AWD allows more of that to be used from a dead stop without spinning. Thus the argument to use AWD despite the added weight.
 
That being said, this competition is indeed a good thing. I'll be just as psyched about the ZR1 as the GT-R V-spec, or whatever higher-performance versions they come up with to gain a slight temporary advantage. Depending on what you like, there should be increasingly impressive 2WD or AWD affordable supercars available to the masses.
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Re: Vent Function? [trueteller] by thenebean
Feb 15, 2008 (1:11 pm)
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Replying to: trueteller (Feb 15, 2008 1:05 pm)

nice post true! Also - i have read (but nothing confirmed) that dyno tests done to the GT-R indicate anywhere from 450-480hp at the wheels, which means that its likely that Nissan is underrating the hp of the engine a little bit. Fact or Fiction? not sure, but the rumor is out there..
 
food for thought...might also explain the speed vs. weight issue....
 
-thene
#43 of 93
Re: Vent Function? [thenebean] by 240ka
Feb 15, 2008 (4:00 pm)
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Replying to: thenebean (Feb 15, 2008 1:11 pm)

its not like it should be suprising. nissan always underrated previous skyline GT-R's
 
fact is that it crushes z06's an d911 turbos alike
 
and just wait for the Spec V. its giong to crush the ZR-1 also. mind you people Nissan is gearing the GT-R Spec V for going after the Carrera GT. chevy doesnt have a chance
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Re: Vent Function? [240ka] by trueteller
Feb 16, 2008 (5:13 am)
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Replying to: 240ka (Feb 15, 2008 4:00 pm)

In a straight line, the ZR1 has the potential to be quite impressive. Not just because of the massive horsepower, but because they've finally realized they should be getting 100hp/liter. Shrinking the engine while boosting power might make it lighter in the front, with better traction in the rear and hence faster. We have yet to see though.
 
Also, I think in the 2011-2012 timeframe, Chevy is thinking about putting Corvette on a further diet, with the engine size set to 4.7L or so. This could bring the future Corvettes below 3000lbs. A 1000lb weight difference will put some pressure on the GT-R for sure.
 
However, for the time being, the speed of the stock GT-R is nothing compared to what the GT-R is even more famous for: aftermarket tuning. With today's advances in tuning software, and Nissan's onboard computer prowess, it is unknown how much bolt-on power potential that engine has left in it.
 
Intake/exhaust + reflash alone could get up to an instant 100-200hp. Do a turbo and intercooler swap? And you can easily double what a boosted engine puts out. There's plenty of R33s that were tuned to 1000hp/tq. And being AWD, all of that power goes straight to the pavement. If Nissan's launch control can hold it all in check, expect 0-60 in the high 2's and 1/4-mile in the sub-10's.
 
Basically all GT-Rs are like a Lingenfelter with intake/exhaust restricitons holding them back. Remove any restrictions and let'er fly.
#45 of 93
Re: Vent Function? [trueteller] by 240ka
Feb 16, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: trueteller (Feb 16, 2008 5:13 am)

We are takling the Spec V and evolution. which the GT-R will be stripped down. by atleast a couple hundrea pounds the z06 is nealy 700lbs less than the GT-R and the GT-R still out performs it
 
Nissas has already stated the GT-R doesnt need more power. weight redution is just about it. exhaust, intake, new intercoolers, up the boost. its all. remember the GT-R is putting out 520hp at the engine.
 
it says alot about Chevy that they need 650hp and a car that only weighs 3200lbs to keep up with the field. they arent doing something right
 
nissan has showed its not about weight. weight helps a car, and the corvette would be better if it had more weight b/c it would be able to put its power to the ground better.. its about balance. the GT-R out performs the 911 turbo and z06 and they both weight 400-700lbs less than the GT-R
 
its not about weight. its about balance and putting power to the ground
#46 of 93
Re: Vent Function? [240ka] by trueteller
Feb 16, 2008 (2:23 pm)
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Replying to: 240ka (Feb 16, 2008 9:42 am)

That's not totally accurate. Chevy isn't doing anything wrong. The Corvette is just nearing the limits of what a front-engined RWD can do. Getting lighter is the only direction they can really go.
It is about balance though, and that's what I was saying. If they lightned the engine, the car would lean back more on the drive wheels during launches. Less spin more power to the ground.
 
It is about weight, and power and traction. All factors play into it. The GTR obviously has the traction to compensate for its weight. That's why more and more supercars are either going AWD or mid-engined. Or both. The best way to get 100 percent traction to the drive wheels is to drive all the wheels. Nissan's AWD just seems to work best. No power loss due to wheel spin.
 
While a lighter GT-R would help, I'd rather not sacrifice the radio, doorlocks, or power windows. So if I owned one and wanted to go faster, I'd do an ECU reflash and filtercharger to try to get up to 100hp more. Just to make sure I stayed ahead of the ZR1 in the HP wars.
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Re: Vent Function? [trueteller] by 240ka
Feb 16, 2008 (2:51 pm)
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Replying to: trueteller (Feb 16, 2008 2:23 pm)

its already at its limits. and im talking about the z06. in less than ideal driving conditions the z06 is very scary to drive. again its because of being so light in wiehgt. the car need weight on it.
 
the car cant put power to the ground b/c its so light and have too much power for the weight. so unless chevys going to make the vette mid engine then they need to add weight to the car to balance it. so i see the ZR-1 having the same problem as the z06 even with it having a new suspension and 20"rims. granted it has more weight on it but has gotten that much more power
 
they dont need to lighten the engine, just put weight in the butt.
 
thats why NIssan put the transmision at the back of the car to balance it with the engine ofcourse being in the frount well actaully id say the GT-R is mid engine. and look at what they have been able to do with 3800lbs. beat a 3100lbs z06 and a 3400lbs 911 turbo.
 
but when you get into variants of course you lose things. look at the F430 Scuderia it doesnt have a radio. and can post times like or close to the enzo
 
but i doubt cars such as a GT-R Spec V and Evolution will lack radios.. just geting differnt ext materials, no back seats, little carpeting, etc
 
also i doubt Nissan is even thinking about the Corvette. i mean look. the Spec V and Evolution are giong after the Carrera GT and GT2 in the process. they've already smacked chevy up.
 
besides Chevy is still competing with Ferrari theres no ferrari at the top of the list. just koenigseggs, porsches and zondas soon to be nissan.
 
and with Nissan making this huge leap to performance where other mid engine cars are. Porsche is going to have to suffer defeat by the 911 having the engine in the butt or take the risk upseting consumers moving away from the beloved 911 platform and start using the cayman platform. b/c cars are getting insanely faster
 
but i dont see Chevy being able to get up with NIssan or porsche if they dont go to mid engine at some point in time if they dont add weight. but of course you will have alot of upset vette customers
 
but for the vette the answer isnt more power. the asnwer is more weight to balance the car

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