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First Look: 2009 Nissan GT-R - Due for its much-anticipated unveiling at the 2007 Tokyo Auto Show, the 2009 Nissan GT-R will finally arrive in the U.S. next spring. Nothing will ever be the same again. (more)

A Lap of the Nurburgring in the 2009 Nissan GT-R - One of the primary performance objectives set forth by the Nissan GT-R's development team is to lap the Nürburgring's Nordschleife faster than a 997-based Porsche 911 Turbo. The 2009 Nissan GT-R had circled the famed circuit in 7 minutes and 55 seconds during endurance testing earlier in the year, trailing the 911 Turbo by 15 seconds. (more)

First Drive: 2009 Nissan GT-R (JDM Spec) - Unlike most supercars, the GT-R doesn't sit only 2 inches off the ground, so it's easy to slide into the driver seat. This is a Japanese-market car, so we're on the right-hand side, which makes everything feel awkward. The seat is firm and narrow, and the high center console gives the cabin a tight, cockpit-style feel. (more)

Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R (Japanese-Spec) - We know you want the numbers and we're not going to waste your time. Neither is Nissan. Its 2009 GT-R hits 60 mph in 3.3 seconds, quicker than the last Dodge Viper, Corvette Z06 and Porsche 911 Turbo we tested. (more)

Full Test: 2009 Nissan GT-R - Bottom Line:The GT-R delivers a rare combination of speed, agility and technological sophistication. It's a bit of a cold fish, but for $76K, we'll deal. (more)

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#28 of 93 Re: 0-60? [master2] by motownusa Jan 13, 2008 (7:30 am)
Replying to: master2 (Jan 13, 2008 6:35 am) According to this article, the 475 Hp is actually at the wheels hp and not at the crank. Nissan might be underrating the HP of the GTR just like they did for the old one. Horspower might actually be in the neighborhood of 550. That would explain a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds for a 3800+ lb car http://www.motorauthority.com/news/supercars/nissan-gt-r-dyno-475hp-at-the-hubs/- - - A few days ago we were talking about Nissan wanting to get the GT-R to an SAE-certified 480hp so it would match the Porsche 911 Turbo, one of its chief rivals. It looks like that should be an easy feat if the dyno numbers coming out of Japan today are solid - and it looks like they are. According to testing done on a Dynapack dynamometer, the new GT-R pumps 482PS (475hp) to all four hubs, with torque peaking at 580Nm (428lb-ft) at the hubs. Assuming parasitic drivetrain losses around 15% - although the loss could be even larger given the GT-R’s all-wheel drive platform - that would put power at the crank around 550hp and 495lb-ft of torque - absolutely insane numbers for a 3.8L engine, twin-turbo or not. Suspicious? Head on over to NAGTROC, the North American GT-R Owners Club forums, where poster Chuck H has links to photographic evidence of the testing, complete with shots of the dyno screen. While these numbers seem to fit more aptly with the GT-R’s 3800lb curb weight and its scorching ‘Ring times, it still seems odd that a car with a drag coefficient of 0.27 would top out at anything under 200mph with 550hp under the hood. Maybe there’s more to this story than meets the eye. We’ll keep you updated as things unfold. Thanks to Jeff for the tip! Replies to this message: master2 (Jan 13, 2008 8:04 am)
#29 of 93 Re: 0-60? [motownusa] by master2 Jan 13, 2008 (8:04 am)
Replying to: motownusa (Jan 13, 2008 7:30 am) Reguardless of rearwheel hp the car still weighs at a porky 3800lbs. There are cars out there that have as much if not more rearwheel hp and a lot less weight that aren't doing what this car is suppossedly doing. Even with suppossed 550hp the cars power to weight is still not much better than that of a 2008 Z51 Vette. On top of that the GT-R would need the extra hp to off set the extra weight that the GT-R is lugging around. A ZO6 has 440 hp at the rear wheels according to a magazine that I had recently read which means that even with 550 hp, the parasitic draw from the awd would be sapping a good majority of that hp leaving the GT-R with 475 which is only 35hp off the ZO6. If those figures are correct, the ZO6 would still come out on top give its much superior hp/lbs ratio of 7.0lbs per hp versus 8.1 lbs per hp.
#30 of 93 C 'mon guys, think. by hsquared Jan 14, 2008 (10:42 am)
There's more to a car's off-the-line acceleration than it's power-to-weight ratio. The gt-r uses a quick shifting dual clutch gearbox which, according to what I've read, shifts quicker than any human can manage with a conventional manual. Also, I'm sure it has to have relatively short gearing. That, along with the grip of the car's awd, might account for acceleration that some posters find "unbelievable". No doubt the Nissan engineers have other tricks up their sleeves that are beyond the grasp of us mere mortals. Then again, maybe Edmunds and Nissan are in cahoots.
#31 of 93 Re: C 'mon guys, think. [hsquared] by master2 Jan 14, 2008 (5:29 pm)
The 911 turbo also uses a quick shifting dual clutch gearbox, all wheel drive and weighs some 350lbs less and gets whooped by the ZO6 baddly(car and driver 9/06 sports car world cup)not to mention that it spanked a ferrari f430 hard, a car that also uses a quick shifting gearbox that shifts 100milliseconds or less. If the ZO6 could embarrass a work of art like the ferrari f430, a car that has a true racing pedigree just think what it would do to that bloated overweight jap mobile. The GT-R may have a quick shifting gearbox and all wheel drive but it needs it to move around the nearly 2 tons of car. The ZO6 makes up for the lack of all wheel drive with one of the lowest power to weight ratio in the production car world. The ZO6 may not have all wheel drive but than again it doesn't need it, the ZO6 weighs 650lbs less with wider tires. Not to mention how bad it outperformed the $106,860-$121,559 911 GT3 at VIR on a 4.2 mile track by 3.6 secs. another car with racing pedigree that is set up strictly for track duty and destroyed the 911 turbo by 7.6 secs. a $123,760-$141,510 car. The ZO6 has already showed that it will get in there with cars that cost more than double its price and destroy the competiton by a huge margin, so until the bloat-mobile whoops a Lambourghini, Ferrari or a Porsche, competition that already learned it's lesson by suffering at the tires of the ZO6, the GT-R has a lot to prove.
#32 of 93 2006 Z06 Bone Stock on Drag Radials by 2005goat Jan 14, 2008 (6:42 pm)
Is the GT-R (or the Spec V for that matter) going to hang with this bone stock Z06, with drag radials? Bone stock people, just improved the traction... Tire mod, and a driver mod only...incredible! 2006 Z06 Bone Stock on Drag Radials Replies to this message: hsquared (Jan 14, 2008 8:18 pm)
#33 of 93 Z06 11.22 127.16 Bone-Stock on Stock Tires by 2005goat Jan 14, 2008 (6:53 pm)
And before the flames start, here is a run on stock tires. Z06 Bone-Stock on Stock Tires
#34 of 93 Re: C 'mon guys, think. [master2] by hsquared Jan 14, 2008 (8:18 pm)
Replying to: 2005goat (Jan 14, 2008 6:42 pm) "The 911 turbo also uses a quick shifting dual clutch gearbox, all wheel drive and weighs some 350lbs less and gets whooped by the ZO6 baddly(car and driver 9/06 sports car world cup)not to mention that it spanked a ferrari f430 hard, a car that also uses a quick shifting gearbox that shifts 100milliseconds or less. If the ZO6 could embarrass a work of art like the ferrari f430, a car that has a true racing pedigree just think what it would do to that bloated overweight jap mobile." 1. If I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am, the Tiptronic S in the 911 Turbo isn't a dual clutch gearbox. 2. The 911 Turbo in the test you're writing about used a six speed manual. The 911 turbo with the Tiptronic S has quicker acceleration than the 911 turbo with the six speed manual. 3. Seeing as how the vette placed last in the "Sport Car World Cup" it can hardly be said to have embarrassed the other cars in the competition.
#35 of 93 Talk is cheap... see ya'll all vette owners at the track this summer by koukir32 Jan 14, 2008 (10:09 pm)
Blah Blah Blah, all I am hearing is from all american muscle car guys can't seems to accept new challenges. yes Chev. 350ci motor is best motor ever created. So suprised that its not at 100hp/liter. Oh, yes we all live in perfect weather all the time, yes yes, let see how u talk smack when it''s raining outside.. see who can perform better in the wet or dry for that matter. Or should I say when u try to seat 4? anyways, the new gadjets that comes with this car (GT-R) is simply incredible, Let me put it this way, the last gen GT-R (R34) was discontinued since 2001. Nissan took almost 7yrs to perfect this GT-R. And not only by its performance, also by it's everyday livablity. Not too mention that this car is gonna tobe sold worldwide! I don't see Vette or Viper being sold worldwide? Oh, thats right there's actually other country exist. And they actually rate the insurance/registration fees (bigger displacement cost more) based on displacement of the engine. So thats why the rest of the world don't make engine the size of texas. No wonder Ferrari / Porsche don't do that. Wow....LMAO Replies to this message: master2 (Jan 15, 2008 4:44 pm) master2 (Jan 15, 2008 5:15 pm) hsquared (Jan 15, 2008 9:43 pm)
#36 of 93 Re: C 'mon guys, think. [hsquared] by master2 Jan 15, 2008 (4:44 pm)
Replying to: koukir32 (Jan 14, 2008 10:09 pm) The reason why the Vette placed last is because it was a little bit more crude in it's driving dynamics, not's performance. The exact words printed by Mark Gillies are as followed( On paper, the ZO6 is the best car here. It accelerates as fast as the 911 turbo and wastes both the Porsche and the Ferrari above 120mph. How about 0-150 in 17.7 secs? Thats up there in Ford GT territory, if not as stupid fast as the Mclaren F1. On the Autobhan it was still accelerating while the FERRARI was topped at 186 in 6th gear) . We're talking about performance here nothing else. And in performance is where it WHOOPED not only the FERRARI but the PORSCHE, the proof is in the print which is not my own opinion, it's fact proven by the editors of the magazines. You are right about one thing, the Porsche doesn't have a dual clutch set up. Now please come up with some proof that a 911 turbo, GT3 or a Ferrari F430 with out perform a ZO6, after all there are performance cars not luxury cars and performance is what counts. Keep in mind that a Z51 Vette beat a 911 Turbo by 2.2 secs. which was also proven in the Lightening Lap at VIR August 2007 edition. Isn't EMBARRASSING HAVING A $50,000 car WHOOPING a $130,000 car. Once again the Vettes performance has already been proven, not only on the street but also in the AMLS winning 6 out of the 7 years that it has been participating which is much more than I can say for the Nissan GT-R. Replies to this message: master2 (Jan 15, 2008 5:15 pm) hsquared (Jan 15, 2008 9:43 pm)
#37 of 93 Re: Talk is cheap... see ya'll all vette owners at the track this summer [koukir32] by master2 Jan 15, 2008 (5:15 pm)
Replying to: master2 (Jan 15, 2008 4:44 pm) For your information the Vette has been sold over in Europe for the last 2 or 3 years now that is the reason for the size reduction that was done with the 2005 C6, so do some research before you speak. Talking about everday livability, the Vette has the most trunk space and best gas milage of ANY HIGH PERFORMANCE VEHICLE IN PRODUCTION, let me know when the Ferrari, Porsche or GT-R get exempt from the gas guzzler tax. And European manufacturers do make big cubic inch motors, have you ever heard of AMG. Ferrari and Porsche don't need cubic inches, they either make up for it with turbos or with the number of cylinders. Yes, the 350ci motor can be concidered the best motor ever built. It has nothing to do with being a muscle car guy or a rice burner lover, the fact is that the small block 350 is the longest production motor ever produced which means its durability has been proven over and over again which is more than be said for any Jap sports car that are either slow as hell and severely underpowered(RX-8) or just plain get discontinued after only few years(Supra,NXS). If I wanted 4 seats I would go and purchase a Cadillac. I have seen and driven Vettes in the rain and they handle perfect, now if you are going to RACE in the rain you deserve to go head first into tree or off an embankment somewhere. Replies to this message: hsquared (Jan 15, 2008 9:43 pm)