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#58 of 72 Re: 2008 Land Cruiser first drive [bgsntth]
Dec 26, 2007 (1:10 pm)
I'm hoping that tomorrow I could swing by Toyota of Melbourne and give the Sequoia a good test drive. I am really looking forward to sit down and see if I can feel comfortable, last week I drove the LC and agree with bgsntth the front seating did not feel comfy.
I am still looking forward to test drive the LX570 maybe in a couple of weeks, will arrive at the dealer.
#59 of 72 Re: Overpriced Mommy mobile; a plain vanilla egg [graylc]
Feb 07, 2008 (8:21 pm)
The fact that the new Toyota Land Cruiser and the new Lexus LX570 are very close in appearance to the new Sequoia is undeniable.
I have recently, 1,000 miles ago, purchased a new Sequoia Platinum after much research which included the Land Cruiser, Lexus LX570, Cadillac Escalade and Mercedes GL.
If value per $ spent were my only concern I would have purchased the Sequoia sr5.
But taking into consideration all my priorities for purchase the Sequoia Platinum came out above all the others by quite a margin.
If Status were my only concern than the Mercedes would have been the clear winner. But certainly not if I were to actor in such things as reliability. Toyota still leads in this category even if it has slid a little recently.
I certainly understand what everyone is saying about the styling of the new Land Cruiser and totally agree with that aspect of it. The Land Cruiser, by past standards , has always shown it's self to be a very rugged and capable individual while at the same time exhibiting some of the most luxurious accomodations available in a true off road vehicle. While it is still rugged and and capable as a true off road er with a luxurious interior, it no longer has the identity appeal as before.
If the identity appeal is your main priority, than the new Land cruiser is probably no longer for you and you should probably go the MB route.
As far as the Lexus, well we al know that it is tailored more to the females and will never see off road use.
Now, I can say without any hesitation that I love my new Seqoia and while it may not compete with the Land Cruiser as the best off road performer, it does what it was designed to do in the highest degree of perfection. It handles like a dream, has room for four large adults in the front and second row seats and can accomodate adults in real comfort in the third row seats without compromise. As far as luxury, in the Platinum trim it out performs the Land Cruiser in roomyness and ventelated front seats.
If there were/are plans, as I've also heard rumer, to eventually eliminate the Land Cruiser than the Platinum would not be sucha bad replacement given the Land Cruisres loss of idetity.
The addition of the larger 5.7 V-8 and six speed transmission have to be experienced to be appreciated.
I would suggest that before any serious judgments are drawn on this new body style Land Cruiser one should give it's capabilities for practical useage a fair trial first.
#60 of 72 2008 TLC vs. LX570 vs. 2008 Sequoia Plat. vs Escalade vs RR HSE
Feb 09, 2008 (1:51 pm)
I'll try to be brief - in one day I drove the 2008 TLC,(Sticker $73k), the LX570 ($84k), the Sequoia Plat. ($58k), the short body Escalade ($71) and the LR RR HSE ($84k)
2008 TLC - Pro: as an owner of a 2000 TLC, I was impressed by the performance of the beast - the usual quality and understated theme, complex, high quality 4x4 system and perf on the road - I think my current TLC drives just great and this one was a big improvement over that. Con: No adjust. susp, no power 3rd row seats, no Xen lights, arm rest on the front seats are gone.... kinda under whelming... guess as I have aged, my expectations, for this kinda $, have moved a little upscale
2008 LX570 - Pro: all the best points of the TLC, had the elusive arm rests, albeit as part of the center consul - had all the goodies that the TLC lacked, but more refined (if that is what you are looking for)... Con: $10k more in cost
2008 Sequoia - Pro: price / value equation, size (this could be a +/-), power 3rd row seats... Con: kinda ugly IMHO of course, Interior - sitting in the driver seat, the interior (although upscale for a pickup), made me think back to my old F150 4x4 that I had in college, 1 piece rear gate (albeit with power window), 2nd row captain chairs (no good for me as I have 3 kids in baby seats and two large dogs - maybe they can be switched out so that you can get the 2nd row bench like the base model), size - this thing is huge....
2008 Escalade: Pro: bling - bells and whistles, Cons: Shifter on the steering column seems "old hat", 2nd row captains chairs here also (what is it with these things?) looks and quality - hard to justify the upcharge from the Yukon Denali, although my neighbor "the know it all' Dr, just raves about his - go figure huh?
2008 RR HSE - my wife loved this one - deep blue exterior, with off white leather seats with blue piping and blond-wood interior accents. Didn't drive the supercharged version but this one was fast enuff...Pro: exclusivity, interior driving quality, Cons: lack-of-quality reputation (although I have friend that have the 2007 and 2006 models and they have had no issues - then again, their wifes drive them, so the things never get abused), overall size / quality / performance to cost ratio kinda sucks...
The more I think about it, the more I may just sit on the sidelines and wait for the 2008 LX570s to come off those 24 month leases...
Feb 09, 2008 (8:54 pm)
I would wait for the 570 lease returns. Avoid anything by Land Cruiser - nothing but endless trouble and abysmal resale.
#62 of 72 Re: WAIT [hypnosis44]
Feb 11, 2008 (8:11 pm)
toyota makes both vehicles.
#63 of 72 Re: WAIT [steelcruiser]
Feb 11, 2008 (9:56 pm)
It's me! I meant to say "avoid anything from the Land Rover/Range Rover group."
#64 of 72 Re: WAIT [hypnosis44]
Feb 12, 2008 (3:33 pm)
Phew! I feel MUCH better now and you are right about avoiding any RR product!
#66 of 72 200 Land Cruiser - A Good Bet
Apr 09, 2009 (1:18 pm)
I have been looking at the new Land Cruiser and have some minor points that are driving my observations:
1. I want a SUV for a good amount of off-road travel. Both on rugged rocky ranch land my primary house is on and primitive roads in New Mexico, Big Bend, Colorado, BC, etc. Therefore, many of the other SUVs discussed here would never cut it , where as the Land Cruiser does. Some 4x4 SUVs like the MB, etc are only good for snow covered pavement and not much more.
2. I want the SUV to be smaller rather then larger for off-road and highway maneuverability. As far as the comments about the storage behind the 2nd row, it only needs to be big enough for our Belgian Malinois guard dog and a few other minor items. Went going off-road other then my own land, I use a serious roof rack with an extra tire/wheel or two and other needed gear. Some like the Sequoia are too long and better meant for hauling lots of stuff kids come bearing.
3. I want a SUV with a very comfortable highway ride and good powerful engine. I have found the new Land Cruiser to be a good highway cruiser and far better then the previous generation. In the new model, Toyota did an great job of optimizing highway travel and off-road capabilities.
4. As for price, many in this forum keep using the $72K type list pricing with the 'soccer mon' DVD, etc package. You have got to be kidding. Even when the new 08 Land Cruiser was in short supply dealer were willing to order one exactly the way I wanted it. That means a regular LC at $65K list or maybe with just the Navigation system at $68K list. Also, now that the supply of Land Cruisers has increased and the troubled economy has driven off many buyers they will quickly give you $4K off the $65K and I have even seen $7K off. That means in the middle of the US a new base LC can be had for as little as $58K. Now, I realize you have to rally search to find the right dealer and that this wold be very difficult in much of California and NY/NJ. However, with the significant drop in new Land Cruiser sales it can be done.
5. As for the exterior looks, I too was very put off for almost a year. Then I came to realize that the color of a new Land Cruiser has a lot to do with it. In metallic silver it looks great. Grey and blue also work for me. Amazingly, the first one I saw at the Austin Auto Show was 'baby vomit' green (I meant Amazon Green) and it looked hideous. In silver it is good looking to me for the utility I want.
6. As for the Lexus twin, I think it is an over priced joke for soccer moms that want to say they own (most likely really lease) a Lexus. Only in the USA, give me a break! I have owned a Lexus LS and now there is a Lexus worth the money (with the touring package). My opinion, is that it Lexus is not even worth mentioning here.
7. As for the Range Rover, I agree with most everyone else in that the reliability is a real problem. Especially for anyone that is really going to use it off-road. Can we spell 'stranded' -- 40 miles from anywhere. Toyota is still the best for reliability although some of the post here about problems with older LCs trouble me.
In summary, for my combination of off-road and highway travel my choice for an new SUV still boils down to a new Land Cruiser or Z71 Chevy Suburban. Although, there is a $15K+ price advantage for the Suburban, the Land Cruiser looks pretty good - IMO.
#67 of 72 Re: 200 Land Cruiser - A Good Bet [jamesfletcher2]
Apr 09, 2009 (5:49 pm)
Those are all good points. There is no doubt that this is an exceptional vehicle. And I can't tell you how many times I have seen Range Rovers abandoned on the side of the road due to inoperability.
Counting the discount, the overall price has gone up about 8-10k since the 100 series in 2005, but they have increased the engine hp/torque -twice, added the permanent, automatic third row seats(which I think was a mistake because most people with these vehicles either leave the seats in all the time, or take one or both out to enhance hauling capability by a lot...but if you don't need the room it's not germane), redesigned the interior and exterior (I'll miss those omnipresent distinctive aft side vents!), totally innovated the suspension, etc.
No doubt it is money well spent and you will never go wrong buying the best. And this is the best.