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#483 of 527 Re: When did things get too electronic? [omarman]
Jan 30, 2011 (8:21 pm)
"What's the next big thing in store for BJ auctions after muscle cars?"
Great question! I'm interested in others' responses because I can't think of the sequel. Not that there were no interesting affordable cars built after the muscle car era, but the muscle cars had the huge advantage of being relatively simple and low cost to repair and maintain.
#484 of 527 Re: When did things get too electronic? [hpmctorque]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 31, 2011 (8:30 am)
Well try to think of some modern car where people would try to tear the doors off a dealership in order to just look at the car. Can't think of any? Well then, there is no sequel, because "muscle cars" created enormous public response in their day. Also you have to remember that muscle cars were "everyman's car", not the plaything of the wealthy.
I thought maybe that cars like the Mitsubishi EVO and Subaru STi would take over this roll, and we may yet see a minor collector market for these cars in another ten years. I mean, a well-sorted EVO or STi is a pretty ferocious performer. Problem is, they look like what they are---entry-level Japanese sedans.
#485 of 527 Re: When did things get too electronic? [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 31, 2011 (9:45 am)
Let's stay on your line of thought and expound a bit.
The reason that "collectible" cars are not really in existence today is because who can be enthusiastic at the products spit out by the D3 from 1972 - 2011??
They stopped making super cars in the U.S.A. around 1970...period. They make real Sleepers now.
Once that changes 180 degrees ( we are at the bottom now), perhaps collecting will begin again. Until then, not much to collect!
Perhaps when the new guys realize they need to push the envelop and put 4 160HP electric motors (battery recharged by a Honda 4-pot, of course) at each wheel in a nice Challenger or Mustang (Camaro just ain't there yet for that crave feeling IMHO), then we can get excited again. We want 100mpg and 600 HP.
Then, the economy will skyrocket as in the past golden age of cars.
#486 of 527 Re: When did things get too electronic? [Mr_Shiftright]
Jan 31, 2011 (9:51 am)
About the only car remotely close to an enthusiast "everyman's car" today is the Corvette. Still too high priced for that distinction but compared to the offerings well north in price but not so north in power/performance per dollar, it's all we have left!
This is the clue of why the D3 went broke. Who has passion for their ride these days? They lost it 40+ years ago.......
#487 of 527 Re: When did things get too electronic? [circlew]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Jan 31, 2011 (10:06 am)
But if we look at the pricing history and collectibility of previous C4 and C5 Corvettes, that doesn't look very promising. Used Corvettes are a dime a dozen, and they've made gazillions of them.
Getting back more to the topic at hand, the reason old luxury cars are so cheap is because people understand how difficult it will be to fix them.
So complexity is now driving the price of olders cars down, not up as it might have say with 60s Ferraris.
Modern cars are so modern that we can no longer point to Detroit iron and say "well, I treasure only sophisticated cars".
#488 of 527 Re: When did things get too electronic? [circlew]
Jan 31, 2011 (11:44 am)
Yeah, that 600HP getting 100MPG would be snapped up in a jiffy (or heck, 300hp getting 50mpg).
I think there will be a few cars (SSR, new T-Bird, Prowler) that will appeal to people who like the styling, but want the modern conveniences that the originals didn't have. And since they weren't produced for that long, I think overtime they will become scarcer than most other models, making them relatively rare. After all, I don't think everyone interested in a collectible/classic car is looking for a racehorse; I think a lot of it has to do with the more interesting styling than most blah cars.
Or there were cars like the new MINI that seem to be cultivating a following, and had a lot of consumer interest when it debuted. The BMW Z3 seemed to be rather popular when it came out as well. Basically, I predict that cars whose body styles were a bit more unusual from the pack will be kept longer than the nondescript vehicles that all blend into one another.
And if the automotive world continues with blah styling, then I think that will help to keep the classic/collectible car world alive. Because my burgeoning interest in classic cars is because they don't look like the boring vehicles I see everywhere else, and I can't imagine that I'm the only one.
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Feb 08, 2011 (9:53 am)
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#490 of 527 Re: Buying Luxury used cars [kamazas]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
Feb 08, 2011 (10:21 am)
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