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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
May 23, 2009 (3:12 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 23, 2009 10:55 am)

It was Grbeck who made me think of the Joker. Back in Feb, when we went to the Philly auto show, there was a new TL behind us, and he said it made him think of the Joker, the way it seemed to have the slashes that extended from the corners of the grille, up under the headlights.
 
A guy at my job recently bought a 2009 TL, SH-AWD or something like that. He got the one color that I think these cars look semi-good in, a deep, dark metallic blue. I sat in it once. Nice car, but it just doesn't seem like a $40K car to me. In contrast, before that he had an '04 TL and then a slightly newer one when that one got totaled. I think they were around $30K, and for that price, they seemed like a bargain. The new one seems sort of like what Detroit started doing in the 1970's...making the cars bigger, but in a useless sort of way, where you got more bulk without any additional interior room.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque (Mr_Shiftright)[andre1969] by hpmctorque
May 23, 2009 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 23, 2009 3:12 pm)

As I see it, the '99-03 TLs were outstanding values and all-around excellent cars, marred only by the problems associated with the introduction of the new 5-speed automatic in the '00 model (the 4-speed automatic in my wife's '99, with 117,000, has been trouble-free). The '04-08 generation was improved in every way. It's quicker and quieter than '99s-'03s, and the steering is sharper. Well, okay, the ride isn't as supple, but Acura softened it just a touch for '06 or '07, giving it an excellent ride-handling compromise. My take on the '04-'08 is that it's as good as a FWD sedan can be. If that TL doesn't satisfy you you need to consider a german luxury brand or an Infiniti. I don't know if the RWD Lexuses cut it.
 
As for the '09, I agree with you, shifty and andre. It wouldn't be on my shopping list
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque (Mr_Shiftright)[andre1969] [hpmctorque] by andre1969
May 24, 2009 (3:35 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 23, 2009 7:37 pm)

My friend at work had a '99-03 style, as well. Actually, I think it was an '03. I say this because he had an '00 Lincoln LS that was a POS, got traded for an '01 Lincoln LS, and when it hit 50,000 miles he didn't trust it anymore, so he traded for the TL.
 
I rode in it once or twice, and thought it was a nice car. When that '04 came out though, he just had to get a new one. I know Acuras hold their value pretty well, but I'd still imagine he took a pretty big hit by trading after only one year!
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Re: Why? by hpmctorque
May 24, 2009 (7:27 am)
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I apologize for being off-topic, but I'll add to my comments about the TLs by saying that to improve over the '04-'08 generation, Acura should have switched to RWD for '09. If any manufacturer has the ability to wrest the top sport sedan crown from BMW, it's Acura, in my opinion. Why? Acura beats Infiniti in refinement and tops BMW in reliability and cost. For those needing or wanting AWD, SH-AWD could be bases on RWD architecture rathere than FWD.
 
I was hoping that Honda-Acura would follow Nissan-Infiniti's model of FWD for the family haulers and RWD for the luxury division's products, but unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen.
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Re: Why? [hpmctorque] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 24, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 24, 2009 7:27 am)

Good points.
 
Yeah let's try to swing back on topic here. Thanks!
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The Sweetest Spot by hpmctorque
May 24, 2009 (1:16 pm)
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There's probably more than one sweet spot for buying a used luxury car, but I've concluded that the sweetest one is to buy one just before the typical five year factory warranty expires, with no more than 30,000 miles on the odometer. I would include one that's a few months older than five years, with a few more than that number of miles, if the owner (in the singular, because it gets harder to gauge how the car's been driven after the first owner) had been meticulous about maintenance. By this point most of the depreciation has been borne by the original owner, but the car still has ~80% of it's useful life ahead of it.
 
As we've noted in this discussion, the depreciation on used luxury cars has accelerated significantly during this recession, especially for those who can pay cash, so it's a great time to buy. What I'm not sure of is the sweet spot for selling or trading the hypothetical 5 year old, 30,000 miles car. I'm thinking that age is less important than mileage, so maybe age can be disregarded, and one should follow shifty's suggestion (if I'm recalling correctly) and bail out at ~80,000 miles. Do I have the sale part about right?
 
What about doing the necessary maintenance and repairs and going to 150,000-200,000, so you enjoy the full benefit of your expenditures. I mean, why spend the money, only to sell at, say, 110,000-120,000 miles?
 
Your thoughts?
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Re: seat comfort... [Mr_Shiftright] by corvette
Jul 11, 2009 (8:21 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jan 02, 2009 12:32 pm)

My strategy was always to buy very *very* well-cared for luxury cars that someone else had JUST dumped a boatload of money into, then drive them a quick 5K--10K and then bail out while everything was still okay.
 
Replying to an old post, I know, but I had it bookmarked...
 
I'm not sure how commonplace this situation was back in the "good old days," but today I don't see many used cars for sale, luxury or otherwise, where the owner has just invested a lot of money in repairs. It's usually more like "1998 Luxomobile for parts" or "2001 Cloudmobile transmission needs fixed [sic]."
 
I can see buying a used car and flushing all the fluids, replacing wiper blades, and changing the timing belt, tensioner, and idlers, where applicable (a grand or so, I'm guessing), but buying something that's not driveable sounds like a losing proposition.
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Re: seat comfort... [corvette] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 12, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: corvette (Jul 11, 2009 8:21 pm)

Good point. What you might see today is a well-cared-for luxury car that has had money dumped into it previously on a generous scale of maintenance and repair, but that is now facing YET ANOTHER repair bill----a repair that in and of itself might not be all that formidable but that has finally discouraged its loving owner. (i.e., "the last straw").
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Re: seat comfort... [Mr_Shiftright] by euphonium
Jul 13, 2009 (9:45 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 12, 2009 7:17 am)

Perhaps it is the frequency of the repair bills rather than any other reason original owners get frustrated & under emotion rather than reason, trade it off only to buy another yet to be repaired luxobarge.
 
Before letting emotion rule, determine if the first year depreciation and sales tax on a replacement vehicle is more costly than repairing the original. Of course it is, but by how much?
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Re: seat comfort... [euphonium] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jul 13, 2009 (10:22 am)
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Replying to: euphonium (Jul 13, 2009 9:45 am)

I often tell people to add up and average 12 to 24 months of repair bills, and if that monthly average equals 1/2 of the cost of a new car monthly payment, or even lease payment, (+ lease cap reduction costs) it's really time to bail out. So if you're pumping $300 a month into that old luxo-barge, maybe that's not a good idea anymore.
 
The last half of a car's long life is rarely the best half.

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