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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [lemmer] by texases
May 22, 2009 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (May 21, 2009 7:36 am)

"I must have been really despondent when I said an ES. In my darkest moments,"
 
Just a few years late-C&D's '96 test had the ES300 second behind the 3er in a test of about 10 cars, so it wasn't crazy back then. Now, though, the G35 and the TL and maybe the GS are the one to look at.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [texases] by circlew
May 23, 2009 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 22, 2009 6:50 pm)

The TL migh edge out the G but I would need to test that to convince myself. The G is already the best value proposition. I drove an '08 G and it is fantastic. I really like the TL up to '08 so that is the drive I need to take.
 
The new TL grill nixes any desire for it, however. Who wants to drive a parrot on wheels?
 

 

 
Regards,
OW
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 23, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 23, 2009 7:10 am)

oh dear, that is most unfortunate. Some stylist needs to clean that up a bit.
 
It seems that there is a "sweet spot" for buying luxury cars.
 
Not so soon in their life span that you pay a punishing price to own them used.
 
Not too late in their life span that you pay a punishing price to fix them.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew] by andre1969
May 23, 2009 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 23, 2009 7:10 am)

I never noticed the parrot angle, but I can see it. This is what it makes me think of, though...
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew] by fintail
May 23, 2009 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 23, 2009 7:10 am)

That's a good one.
 
The rear end is just as bad
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [andre1969] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
May 23, 2009 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 23, 2009 9:27 am)

I hated that movie. It was like the Zimmer of movies, the Clenet of cinema. Noise, brass, chrome, big size, and didn't make sense.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [Mr_Shiftright] by andre1969
May 23, 2009 (3:12 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 23, 2009 10:55 am)

It was Grbeck who made me think of the Joker. Back in Feb, when we went to the Philly auto show, there was a new TL behind us, and he said it made him think of the Joker, the way it seemed to have the slashes that extended from the corners of the grille, up under the headlights.
 
A guy at my job recently bought a 2009 TL, SH-AWD or something like that. He got the one color that I think these cars look semi-good in, a deep, dark metallic blue. I sat in it once. Nice car, but it just doesn't seem like a $40K car to me. In contrast, before that he had an '04 TL and then a slightly newer one when that one got totaled. I think they were around $30K, and for that price, they seemed like a bargain. The new one seems sort of like what Detroit started doing in the 1970's...making the cars bigger, but in a useless sort of way, where you got more bulk without any additional interior room.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque (Mr_Shiftright)[andre1969] by hpmctorque
May 23, 2009 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 23, 2009 3:12 pm)

As I see it, the '99-03 TLs were outstanding values and all-around excellent cars, marred only by the problems associated with the introduction of the new 5-speed automatic in the '00 model (the 4-speed automatic in my wife's '99, with 117,000, has been trouble-free). The '04-08 generation was improved in every way. It's quicker and quieter than '99s-'03s, and the steering is sharper. Well, okay, the ride isn't as supple, but Acura softened it just a touch for '06 or '07, giving it an excellent ride-handling compromise. My take on the '04-'08 is that it's as good as a FWD sedan can be. If that TL doesn't satisfy you you need to consider a german luxury brand or an Infiniti. I don't know if the RWD Lexuses cut it.
 
As for the '09, I agree with you, shifty and andre. It wouldn't be on my shopping list
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque (Mr_Shiftright)[andre1969] [hpmctorque] by andre1969
May 24, 2009 (3:35 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (May 23, 2009 7:37 pm)

My friend at work had a '99-03 style, as well. Actually, I think it was an '03. I say this because he had an '00 Lincoln LS that was a POS, got traded for an '01 Lincoln LS, and when it hit 50,000 miles he didn't trust it anymore, so he traded for the TL.
 
I rode in it once or twice, and thought it was a nice car. When that '04 came out though, he just had to get a new one. I know Acuras hold their value pretty well, but I'd still imagine he took a pretty big hit by trading after only one year!
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Re: Why? by hpmctorque
May 24, 2009 (7:27 am)
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I apologize for being off-topic, but I'll add to my comments about the TLs by saying that to improve over the '04-'08 generation, Acura should have switched to RWD for '09. If any manufacturer has the ability to wrest the top sport sedan crown from BMW, it's Acura, in my opinion. Why? Acura beats Infiniti in refinement and tops BMW in reliability and cost. For those needing or wanting AWD, SH-AWD could be bases on RWD architecture rathere than FWD.
 
I was hoping that Honda-Acura would follow Nissan-Infiniti's model of FWD for the family haulers and RWD for the luxury division's products, but unfortunately I don't think it's going to happen.

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