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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 21, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (May 21, 2009 1:09 pm)
Buick might be discontinued here but made only in China, where it is a very popular car indeed. I think they sell more there than here. They, the Chinese, don't know anything about past or recent Buick history or reputation.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [Mr_Shiftright]
by fintail
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May 21, 2009 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 21, 2009 2:14 pm)
Chinese perception of Buick seems stuck in about 1940 or so. Not a bad time for Buick.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by lemko
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May 22, 2009 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
Yeah, and some might argue my perception of Buick seems to be stuck in 1940 as well. Regardless, I know from experience, Buick does indeed make an excellent car!
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 22, 2009 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
That was a good time for Buick. The brand seems to have escaped the fate of producing any real clunkers (at least that we remember)--rather, Buick has slipped into a kind of "non-existence" in the American mind, like Oldsmobile. It won't die from incompetence as much as total indifference in the market.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [lemmer]
by texases
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May 22, 2009 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (May 21, 2009 7:36 am)
"I must have been really despondent when I said an ES. In my darkest moments,"
Just a few years late-C&D's '96 test had the ES300 second behind the 3er in a test of about 10 cars, so it wasn't crazy back then. Now, though, the G35 and the TL and maybe the GS are the one to look at.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [texases]
by circlew
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May 23, 2009 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 22, 2009 6:50 pm)
The TL migh edge out the G but I would need to test that to convince myself. The G is already the best value proposition. I drove an '08 G and it is fantastic. I really like the TL up to '08 so that is the drive I need to take.
The new TL grill nixes any desire for it, however. Who wants to drive a parrot on wheels? 
Regards,
OW
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 23, 2009 (7:17 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 23, 2009 7:10 am)
oh dear, that is most unfortunate. Some stylist needs to clean that up a bit.
It seems that there is a "sweet spot" for buying luxury cars.
Not so soon in their life span that you pay a punishing price to own them used.
Not too late in their life span that you pay a punishing price to fix them.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew]
by andre1969
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May 23, 2009 (9:27 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 23, 2009 7:10 am)
I never noticed the parrot angle, but I can see it. This is what it makes me think of, though...
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew]
by fintail
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May 23, 2009 (10:38 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 23, 2009 7:10 am)
That's a good one.
The rear end is just as bad 
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [andre1969]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 23, 2009 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 23, 2009 9:27 am)
I hated that movie. It was like the Zimmer of movies, the Clenet of cinema. Noise, brass, chrome, big size, and didn't make sense.
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