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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 21, 2009 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 20, 2009 8:05 pm)
It's harder to restore a reputation than to build one, don't you think?
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew]
by lemmer
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May 21, 2009 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: circlew (May 20, 2009 2:44 pm)
I must have been really despondent when I said an ES. In my darkest moments, I don't think I could be convinced to buy one. Maybe a GS though. They aren't terrible.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [Mr_Shiftright]
by fintail
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May 21, 2009 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 21, 2009 6:38 am)
By the time image has been drowned in muck, it can be impossible. Reputation can come from more than simple diminished reliability etc.
Caddy still has light years to go before it is anything like it was in the good old days. The upmarket aspirational image of Buick as seen in the 40s and 50s might never really be seen again - Buick abandoned it and then Lexus took the role.
Having a loyal fan base is also a valuable intangible.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by circlew
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May 21, 2009 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: fintail (May 21, 2009 8:45 am)
Agreed...took a long time to fail and will take a loooooooong time to recover...even keeping the Buick brand.
The future cars must be designed like Lemkomobiles or it's curtains for Buick! 
Regards,
OW
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [circlew]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 21, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (May 21, 2009 1:09 pm)
Buick might be discontinued here but made only in China, where it is a very popular car indeed. I think they sell more there than here. They, the Chinese, don't know anything about past or recent Buick history or reputation.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [Mr_Shiftright]
by fintail
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May 21, 2009 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (May 21, 2009 2:14 pm)
Chinese perception of Buick seems stuck in about 1940 or so. Not a bad time for Buick.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by lemko
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May 22, 2009 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
Yeah, and some might argue my perception of Buick seems to be stuck in 1940 as well. Regardless, I know from experience, Buick does indeed make an excellent car!
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [fintail]
by Mr_Shiftright HOST
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May 22, 2009 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: fintail (May 21, 2009 5:43 pm)
That was a good time for Buick. The brand seems to have escaped the fate of producing any real clunkers (at least that we remember)--rather, Buick has slipped into a kind of "non-existence" in the American mind, like Oldsmobile. It won't die from incompetence as much as total indifference in the market.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [lemmer]
by texases
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May 22, 2009 (6:50 pm)
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Replying to: lemmer (May 21, 2009 7:36 am)
"I must have been really despondent when I said an ES. In my darkest moments,"
Just a few years late-C&D's '96 test had the ES300 second behind the 3er in a test of about 10 cars, so it wasn't crazy back then. Now, though, the G35 and the TL and maybe the GS are the one to look at.
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Re: #325 of 360 Why? by hpmctorque [texases]
by circlew
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May 23, 2009 (7:10 am)
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Replying to: texases (May 22, 2009 6:50 pm)
The TL migh edge out the G but I would need to test that to convince myself. The G is already the best value proposition. I drove an '08 G and it is fantastic. I really like the TL up to '08 so that is the drive I need to take.
The new TL grill nixes any desire for it, however. Who wants to drive a parrot on wheels? 
Regards,
OW
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